End of Year

Bacteria as a Hard Drive

Saw this article on Holy Kaw:

Bacteria work as hard drives

A group of students at Hong Kong’s Chinese University have developed a way to store complex information in bacteria. Biostorage—the art of storing and encrypting information in living organisms—is a young field, having existed for only about a decade.

This opens up an alternate way to save text, images, music,and even video within living cells. One gram of bacteria could store the same amount of information as 450 2,000-gigabyte hard disks.

Full story at Discovery News

My thoughts

Ok, and we are supposed to believe in evolution—that these things evolved over billions of years from nothing? Wow, whose thinking is messed up? Could it be that God designed the bacteria?

It is amazing that the human body has on average 50 trillion cells, each one more complex than the space shuttle. Every night 50 billion of them replace themselves! Wow, go God!

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Leave28 Responses to testBacteria as a Hard Drive

  1. Jay Liverstitch January 17, 2011 at 9:53 am #

    This is a very interesting topic, I agree. I recall reading an article some years ago about this type of storage being in development.

    I am however, apparently missing the point of your post Eric. Could you explain how advancements in biostorage lead to the conclusion that bacteria did not evolve?

    I see no logical correlation between “We’ve found ways to harness life forms for X use” to “Bacteria can not have evolved”. After all, we’ve been manipulating and harnessing life forms for our benefit for thousands of years (since well before you believe the earth was created for that matter).

    Could you please elaborate on how this article leads you to your conclusion in this post?

    Jay

  2. andrew Ryan January 17, 2011 at 10:15 am #

    Erik, I’ll ask again it’s really a very simple request for a cite for a quote.

    Could you give us a cite for your recent claimed quote from Sir Arthur Keith:
    “Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation which is unthinkable.”
    You claimed that the man said it in 1959, yet he died in 1955. Fine, perhaps you made a mistake about the year. I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
    But if it is indeed a genuine quote, please go ahead and tell us it comes from, and when.

    “Could it be that God designed the bacteria?”

    It certainly could. Go ahead and present your evidence.

  3. Lance Grey January 17, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    Can’t grasp the ramifications; yogurt playing videos?
    We used to read cereal boxes.

  4. David Ray January 17, 2011 at 3:26 pm #

    andrew,

    Don’t hold your breath. As you already know, we’re still waiting for CSE to come up with ONE example of a science textbook that says that when we die we cease to exist (December 7, 2010; see multiple requests for a citation in the associated thread.)

  5. Nathan Warden January 17, 2011 at 3:49 pm #

    Pretty awesome stuff!!! It’ll be sweet if we can end up using something like this, safely, for storage space :)

  6. Trevor Page January 17, 2011 at 10:55 pm #

    @Andrew:

    Sir Arthur Keith admits in the forward to the 100th anniversary edition of Darwin’s book, Origin of Species in 1959

  7. Brentonio Mad-dog January 17, 2011 at 11:04 pm #

    to: andrew Ryan

    “Could it be that God designed the bacteria?”

    It certainly could. Go ahead and present your evidence.

    up above this qoute is interesting, how can you say this, without the God of the Bible? Your worldview does not account for knowledge, you just said that comment, using logic, that can only be accounted for by 1 worldview, the God of the Bible. He is the absolute truth, he created you,and loves you, and in fact, Romans 1 :18-20 says, that he has revealed himself to you,and that you actually believe in him, but dont FOLLOW him, because the lusts of your heart!

    Science proves evolution is wrong, and is a religion, you have faith in yourself, ala, or something else… but Science demands the God of the Bible,and can only be done becuase there is a CONSTANT LAWGIVER BEYOND TIME SPACE AND MATTER WHO IS KEEP ALL THE LAWS OF LIFE IN SCIENCE GOING EACH DAY!!

    love you man seek truth, keep open and search for it like Gold, and it will lead you to him 100/ out of /100 times.

  8. Brentonio Mad-dog January 17, 2011 at 11:07 pm #

    its not about evidence, you already know him and believe in him, even though you do not follow him, you do everyday in the way you live by using his logic, morals, and living in his world, you assume him and all his creation to be constant everyday, its so cool how he set it up, you will have no excuses when you see him one day!!

    SEEK HIM MAKE IT A PRIORITY, YOUR LIFE IS SO SHORT!

    SCIENCE CAN NEVER ANSWER THE BASIC QUESTIONS OF an 8 year old:

    who am I
    why am I here
    where do we Go when we die
    what is my purpose

  9. John Bebbington January 18, 2011 at 11:06 am #

    Eric wrote: “Could it be that God designed the bacteria?”

    Possibly. But why would He design pathogens such as E. coli O157:H7, Campylobacter jejuni and Salmonella (to name only three out of many) which are huge killers of young children.

    According to Jeff Brace in the previous post destroying a fertilised cell – and I mean a single cell – is as bad as murdering a a baby. I suspect from such lack of balance that Jeff can’t ride a bike.

    But, if Eric is correct, what is God’s excuse?

  10. Jeff Brace January 18, 2011 at 3:20 pm #

    Nice post Eric. This is a really amazing subject. Showing the great complexity of cells goes a long way to proving evolution is not possible. As I posted in an earlier thread, it is mathematically impossible. We are just beginning to see this complexity as we gain more and more knowledge of the things around us.

  11. Duane January 18, 2011 at 11:32 pm #

    @John Bebbington January 13th at 12:13 pm

    “Does anybody else have trouble with this website?

    Often on Safari the page will not load but puts up an error message: “Warning: require_once(./wp-includes/registration.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/drdinoco/domains/drdino.com/public_html/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/external_session/external_session.php on line 336³

    Every time it does load, even in Chrome or Firefox, all the menus pop open for a few seconds.

    There are other errors but these two will suffice.”

    I was getting that on Firefox. I just deleted drdino.com Cookies and it fixed it. The menu thing seems to be just part of the site code.

  12. andrew Ryan January 19, 2011 at 9:44 am #

    Brentonio: “Your worldview does not account for knowledge, you just said that comment, using logic, that can only be accounted for by 1 worldview, the God of the Bible.”

    Nonsense. Creation is a logical act. Given that, how can any being ‘create logic’?

  13. andrew Ryan January 19, 2011 at 9:47 am #

    Trevor Page: “Sir Arthur Keith admits in the forward to the 100th anniversary edition of Darwin’s book, Origin of Species in 1959″

    Try again Trevor. Keith had been dead several years when that edition came out. Furthermore, he did not write the ‘forward’ to that edition, or even the foreword. He DID write the foreword to an edition a few decades earlier, but it did not contain that quote.

    So please, try again, anybody: where does this purported quote come from?

  14. Duane January 19, 2011 at 10:21 am #

    @Brentonio Mad-dog January 17th at 11:04 pm

    “Could it be that God designed the bacteria?”

    “It certainly could. Go ahead and present your evidence.

    up above this qoute is interesting, how can you say this, without the God of the Bible? Your worldview does not account for knowledge, you just said that comment, using logic, that can only be accounted for by 1 worldview, the God of the Bible. He is the absolute truth, he created you,and loves you, and in fact, Romans 1 :18-20 says, that he has revealed himself to you,and that you actually believe in him, but dont FOLLOW him, because the lusts of your heart!

    Science proves evolution is wrong, and is a religion, you have faith in yourself, ala, or something else, but Science demands the God of the Bible,and can only be done becuase there is a CONSTANT LAWGIVER BEYOND TIME SPACE AND MATTER WHO IS KEEP ALL THE LAWS OF LIFE IN SCIENCE GOING EACH DAY!!

    love you man seek truth, keep open and search for it like Gold, and it will lead you to him 100/ out of /100 times.

    its not about evidence, you already know him and believe in him, even though you do not follow him, you do everyday in the way you live by using his logic, morals, and living in his world, you assume him and all his creation to be constant everyday, its so cool how he set it up, you will have no excuses when you see him one day!!

    SEEK HIM MAKE IT A PRIORITY, YOUR LIFE IS SO SHORT!

    SCIENCE CAN NEVER ANSWER THE BASIC QUESTIONS OF an 8 year old:

    who am I
    why am I here
    where do we Go when we die
    what is my purpose

    Cut it out. You don’t get to claim logic while using an irrational belief system. You don’t get to claim we believe in your pretend friend in the sky because we’re having too much fun sinning. You don’t get to claim to have actual answers to any questions let alone who we are and where we go when we die or our purpose. As long as you continue to misrepresent reality you don’t get to define what’s beyond reality. Every time you Stepford Christians come in and repeat the same nonsense you make the rest of us more certain we want to avoid drinking your kool-aid.

  15. Jeff Brace January 19, 2011 at 10:27 am #

    Thanks Trevor. I couldn’t remember where that quote was taken from.

  16. Jeff Brace January 19, 2011 at 10:32 am #

    @ John Bebbington: I have no idea how you could have come up with your opinion of a previous post. Could you tell me where I made it? Like most people who are against creationism you probably took it out of context as usual. Just like the quote Sir Arthur Keith made before he died but was used in the forward of the 100th anniversary of one of Darwins books.

  17. Jack Napper January 19, 2011 at 11:59 am #

    up above this qoute is interesting, how can you say this, without the God of the Bible? Your worldview does not account for knowledge, you just said that comment, using logic, that can only be accounted for by 1 worldview, the God of the Bible.

    Ok, Brentonio Mad-dog, present your arguments for this positions. However, try very hard not to commit any blatant logic fallacies along the way. My favorites for this argument are “circular reasoning”, “false dichotomy” and “shifting the burden of proof”.

    So YOU made the claim. Can you now back it up?

    Science proves evolution is wrong, and is a religion, you have faith in yourself, ala, or something else

    Really??? All I’ve seen/heard are arguments from ignorance and various other logical fallacies.

    …but Science demands the God of the Bible,and can only be done becuase there is a CONSTANT LAWGIVER BEYOND TIME SPACE AND MATTER WHO IS KEEP ALL THE LAWS OF LIFE IN SCIENCE GOING EACH DAY!!

    Seriously??? Do any of you actually bother to look this stuff up? Take a few minuted an look up what a ‘scientific law’ actually is. You my bee shocked at what you find.

    I suggest teaming up with Stephen for some much better and at least more interesting logical fallacies, blatant dishonesty and other comedic gold. I nearly fell out of my chair when he wrote:

    No, your theory is lame because you and evolutionism (you own this term too and like it) propose that life, energy, and matter, all came into existence by itself without the purpose, power, and intelligence of Almighty God.

    According to Jeff Brace in the previous post destroying a fertilised cell and I mean a single cell is as bad as murdering a a baby. I suspect from such lack of balance that Jeff can’t ride a bike.

    But, if Eric is correct, what is God’s excuse?

    Unfortunately John his excuse can’t be that the bible actually says life begins at birth. Heck I mean that would show blatant interpretation and fly in the face of hundreds of other claims (YOUTUBE: NephilimFree riffs on the beginning of life).

  18. John Bebbington January 19, 2011 at 12:47 pm #

    Thanks Duane,

    I came across that very solution yesterday and all now works fine. I had the same issue on the Quatloos! website, too.

  19. John Bebbington January 19, 2011 at 12:51 pm #

    Jeff Brace: ” Showing the great complexity of cells goes a long way to proving evolution is not possible. As I posted in an earlier thread, it is mathematically impossible. We are just beginning to see this complexity as we gain more and more knowledge of the things around us.”

    No, Jeff. Ignoring that you got the maths hopelessly wrong what you showed was that it was actually mathematically possible. Anything with a probability greater than zero is possible which is why Kent cannot tolerate the idea of a 4 billion year old Earth..

  20. Randy Miller January 19, 2011 at 11:12 pm #

    John Bebbington asked,

    “… why would He (God) design pathogens such as E. coli O157:H7, Campylobacter jejuni and Salmonella (to name only three out of many) which are huge killers of young children.”
    ************
    That answer to your question can be found in the Holy Scriptures.
    Which is,
    The FALL OF MAN caused disease, and death.
    Or more succinctly … sin = death.

  21. Randy Miller January 20, 2011 at 12:26 am #

    Brentonio Mad-dog said,

    “SCIENCE CAN NEVER ANSWER THE BASIC QUESTIONS OF an 8 year old:
    who am I
    why am I here
    where do we Go when we die
    what is my purpose”
    ************
    Your basic questions of an 8 year old – reminded me of a few definitions from the 1828 Websters Dictionary.
    Where an 8 year old searching for answers might get some assistance.
    <>
    —-Philosophy—
    “The objects of philosophy are to ascertain facts or truth, and the causes of things or their phenomena; to enlarge our views of God and his works … True religion and true philosophy must ultimately arrive at the same principle.”
    <>
    —Truth—
    “Conformity to fact or reality; exact accordance with that which is, or has been, or shall be. We rely on the truth of scriptural prophesies.
    The truth of My mouth shall speak truth. Prov.8.
    Sanctify them through thy truth; thy word is truth. John. 17.
    Jesus Christ is called the truth. John 14.”
    <>
    —Science—
    “In a general sense, knowledge, or certain knowledge; the comprehension or understanding of truth or facts by the mind. The science of God must be perfect.”

  22. andrew Ryan January 20, 2011 at 8:53 am #

    Jeff Brace: “Just like the quote Sir Arthur Keith made before he died but was used in the forward of the 100th anniversary of one of Darwins books.”

    Jeff, that quote did not appear in ANY 100th anniversary of ANY of Darwin’s books. Please provide me a cite for where it comes actually comes from. Every genuine quote I’ve seen from Keith actually contradicts the quote you claim came from him. If Keith said it before he died, where did he say it, and when?

  23. Jeff Brace January 20, 2011 at 9:19 am #

    @ John Bebbington : Well first of all, it’s not my math. Unfortunately linking is not allowed here. What are your credentials for saying the math is wrong? Probably don’t have any right? Just here to hate the Hovinds becasue they erk your dead spirit I would guess.

  24. Jeff Brace January 20, 2011 at 9:53 am #

    @ John Bebbington: Even evolutionary writers implicitly concede that some sequences are essential, but they call them, conserved, i.e. the sequence was so vital that natural selection conserved it by eliminating variants. As the following conservative calculation shows, even making generous assumptions to the evolutionists (e.g. ignoring the chemical problems), the origin of life from non-life still defies probability.
    20 amino acids
    387 proteins for the simplest possible life
    10 conserved amino acids on average
    chance is 20 3870 = 10 3870.log20 = 10 5035

  25. Jeff Brace January 20, 2011 at 9:55 am #

    Continued : This is one chance in one followed by over 5000 zeroes. So it would be harder than guessing a correct 5000-digit PIN on the first go!
    Is time really the hero of the plot? No:
    1080 atoms in the universe
    1012 atomic interactions per second
    1018 seconds in the universe, according to the fallacious big bang theory
    only 10110 interactions possible. This is a huge number, but compared with the tiny chance of obtaining the right sequence, it is absurdly small: only 10 4925.

  26. John Bebbington January 21, 2011 at 1:39 pm #

    Jeff Brace wrote: “Well first of all, it’s not my math. Unfortunately linking is not allowed here. What are your credentials for saying the math is wrong? ”

    Mark James pointed out that you meant 1/10^340,000 rather than the 1/340,000 you incorrectly wrote. 340,000 is not the same as 10 followed by 340,000 zeros. That’s Math 1.01 * 10^2.

    You compound your error by continuing above to write “1080” atoms in the universe when what you really mean is “10^80″. Similarly for “1012” and “1018”.

    Firstly, the problem with your maths is that chemistry is not governed by statistics but by the non-random laws of chemistry and biochemistry. Secondly, early life would not have been complex but simple, vastly reducing the number of possibilities. Given the vast numbers of molecules even in a small puddle and the vast rate of atomic (or at least, molecular) interactions per second which you give above the chances of complex molecules being formed is large. These are concurrent interactions and not consecutive as your statistics wrongly imply.

    “Probably don’t have any right? Just here to hate the Hovinds becasue they erk your dead spirit I would guess.”

    My “dead spirit”? Oh, dear. A christian speaks. But I don’t hate the Hovinds. I see them as a force for evil and I pity them – but I don’t hate them. There is still time for them to learn, understand and repent. There are many ex-YECists who have.

    By the way, the only people I hate are those who speak loudly into mobile phones on trains. Or people who throw litter. Or smoke anywhere near me. Or play golf. String ‘em all up, I say. I hope you are not one of them.

  27. Jack Napper January 22, 2011 at 7:55 pm #

    Jeff, that quote did not appear in ANY 100th anniversary of ANY of Darwin’s books. Please provide me a cite for where it comes actually comes from. Every genuine quote I’ve seen from Keith actually contradicts the quote you claim came from him. If Keith said it before he died, where did he say it, and when?

    It’s completely nonsense andrew Ryan but that doesn’t stop Creationists from repeating it all over the internet. Heck, a quick Google search even reveals the blatant lie within a reviewer’s comment.

    Here’s what the folk over at TalkOrigins had to say…

    The quote that is attributed to Sir Arthur Keith is a figment of the creationists imagination. I researched that quote a month or two ago and could not find a trace of it. No library in the Atlanta metro area has this particular edition and neither Amazon nor Barnes and Noble has this edition. I am in nine newsgroups and no one in these NGs had a copy or had ever seen one. A search of the internet showed many references for this quote but every one of them was from a creationist site. It is also amazing because that Sir Arthur died in 1955 and the 100th anniversary edition would not have been issued until 1959. Tell me, did “God” write this for Sir Arthur from heaven?

    For the record the intro to 1958 100th Anniversary Edition of On the Origin of Species was written by William Robin Thompson.

    So what did Kieth actually write 30 years ago?

    The Origin of Species is still the book which contains the most complete demonstration that the law of evolution is true. — Kieth, 1928

    Where does this fictional quote actually come from??? Well …

    “Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable.”
    -Sir Arthur Keith, as quoted without original source citation in Wallie A. Criswell’s Did Man Just Happen? (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1972), 73.

  28. Duane January 24, 2011 at 2:09 am #

    “Well first of all, it’s not my math. Unfortunately linking is not allowed here.” Funniest thing I’ve read all day. Of course it’s not your math. It’s a cut and paste from 1000 different creationist sites all quoting the same erroneous information like it is gospel. Doesn’t mean anything but it impresses the rubes. That’s all you guys EVER do in here is cut and paste bad information you don’t understand from creationist sites. Any time I ever see any “information” posted here, I copy a line and google it and 100% of the time it is plagiarized garbage from creationist sites.