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What is the best April Fools joke you ever pulled off on someone?  I have always been, much to my teachers’ disapproval, a practical joker. What many call sinister I sometimes call funny! Just ask around the office and they will tell you! One time at middle school camp I shaved the eyebrows off of a kid that fell asleep in the middle of the day. I do feel bad for doing it, but still crack a smile when I think about how someone could sleep through something like that. A few months ago I was at the Deeper Conference with the guys from Living Waters and I roomed with Mark Spence. Since I had a key to his room, the next day I turned his entire bed upside down, but made it look like it was still made on top. He still hasn’t gotten me back for that yet, but I know it is coming!

Cruelest April Fools Prank Ever

Now, what is the cruelest trick that has ever been played on mankind? I am convinced it is to tell people that there is no God and sit back and laugh as they fall for it. That is the prank that Satan has tried to pull on mankind, over and over. The Bible describes Satan as a liar and the father of lies. That is why we here at CSE dedicate every April 1st to individuals who claim the title atheists!  This is based on Psalms 14:1: “The FOOL hath said in his heart there is no God.”

The problem with falling for this prank is not that you have to grow back some eyebrows or turn your bed over.  Falling for this one leads to eternal consequences, ones that I would not wish on anyone.  Please take time to click this link to learn more about the forgiveness that Christ offers.

Now, I realize that atheists have heard this enough to make them sick, but it doesn’t make it any less true!

Leave36 Responses to testHappy Atheists’ Day!

  1. Mike Goebel April 1, 2011 at 10:40 am #

    God bless you Eric.

  2. Philip Kingsley Subas April 1, 2011 at 10:50 am #

    I just hope it doesn’t come back bigger on you. That sure is cruel(satan’s Prank)

    I just remembered Ray Comforts Book. ” You can take Atheists to the evidence. But you cant make them think” or something similar to it

  3. andrew Ryan April 1, 2011 at 11:00 am #

    Eric, not long ago, you chastised others for resorting to insults. Now you’re making a post centred around calling atheists fools. Isn’t this hypocrisy?

    Anyway, Matthew 5:22, “Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

    Oops.

  4. Geno Castagnoli April 1, 2011 at 11:27 am #

    I do one on “dihydrogen monoxide.” It’s an odorless, tasteless, colorless substance that causes thousands of deaths each year in its liquid form. It’s a powerful solvent and our industries dump millions of tons of it each day in our streams, lakes, and rivers without regulation. It’s in many known poisonous, explosive, and caustic substances. It’s a major component of acid rain; gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns; it leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals; it’s found in cancerous tumors and lesions.

    DHMO contamination is reaching epic proportions as it is even found in Antarctic ice.

    What is it? Di (2) hydrogen mon (1) oxide. Otherwise known as H2O or water.

    I only get to do this every three or 4 years as students cycle thru the school …. you aren’t going to get away with this one twice.

  5. Linda Notley April 1, 2011 at 11:47 am #

    I love this! What a perfect day to dedicate to the atheists!! April FOOLS day!!!! I have always had a passion for the truths that this ministry stands for. I just recently found your Creation Series with Dr. Kent Hovind and have watched the first two. I am so anxious to watch the rest! I watched the first one 3 times…so it could soak in! WOW! My husband and I are glued to them lately! I would love to come visit the museum in Pensacola. We’ve been to Florida a few times but didn’t know about the museum. We have two daughters, Autumn-9 and Eden-almost 6! They would LOVE it!! My nine year old literally cringes when she hears the words “billions of years ago”! She knows better!! I wish there was some way I could be involved in this ministry. I will definitely get the word out about your website and DVDs. Thank you all for serving the Lord in such an awesome way!

  6. Mark James April 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    This is not an April fools joke but as a capping stunt when I was at university we called the national TV stations and told them that a prominent retired parliamentarian was going to ‘pass water’ in parliament grounds (I think we said it was some sort of protest). We then ran a hose pipe up the back and through the legs of a statue, placed an old toilet bowl in front and turned on the tap.

    How we got away with it, I don’t know. We were questioned by police as we were setting up the ladder. We told them we were cleaning the statue and they let us continue. It was certainly more innocent times.

    They (the police) were quite good humoured about it when they realised what we’d done. Of course, that all changed when they saw the TV crews and we were told, in no uncertain terms, to take it down. We vever did get the toilet bowl back!

  7. Duane April 1, 2011 at 4:09 pm #

    No, you know what the cruelest practical joke is? To create a Hell and damn everyone to it for the sole “crime” of not believing a largely plagiarized irrational story written down 1000s of years ago, decades after it happened, by non-witnesses, in obsolete languages, on paper that rots. The primary vector of this “salvation” is one person convincing another using as “proof” this book. A book that doesn’t even include Heaven and Hell for most of it. It takes the “Prince of Peace” to come up with something as cruel as Hell. And this book is demonstrably wrong nearly every time it tries to describe anything verifiable.

    A God that loved us and wanted us to experience Him would not put such conditions on this love. He would make Himself clearly known to everyone and not play an elaborate game of hide and seek with the price of admission everlasting torture. Listen to your own story. Hell isn’t for the Adolf Hitlers, it’s for people with simple common sense that haven’t been convinced by your story or even heard it.

  8. Danny April 1, 2011 at 5:18 pm #

    Hi Eric,
    I haven’t been on here in a while. I am going through a lot of problems and so are many of the brothers and sisters that I know in the Lord. Anyway, I was reading an online book called Science vs Evolution. I really like how he defined what evolution really is.
    He said,
    1 – This is the evolutionary formula for making a universe:
    Nothing + nothing = two elements + time = 92 natural elements +
    time = all physical laws and a completely structured universe of galaxies,
    systems, stars, planets, and moons orbiting in perfect balance
    and order.
    2 – This is the evolutionary formula for making life:
    Dirt + water + time = living creatures.
    Evolutionists theorize that the above two formulas can enable
    everything about us to make itself with the exception of
    man-made things, such as automobiles or buildings. Complicated
    things, such as wooden boxes with nails in them, require thought,
    intelligence, and careful workmanship. But everything else about
    us in nature (such as hummingbirds and the human eye) is declared
    to be the result of accidental mishaps, random confusion, and time.
    You will not even need raw materials to begin with. They make
    themselves too.
    How did all this nonsense get started? We will begin this book
    with a brief overview of the modern history of evolutionary theory.
    But let us not forget that, though it may be nonsensical, evolutionary
    theory has greatly affected and damaged mankind
    in the 20th century. Will we continue to let this happen, now that
    we are in the 21st century? The social and moral impact that
    evolutionary concepts have had on the modern world has been
    terrific.
    Morality and ethical standards have been greatly reduced.
    Children and youth are taught in school that they are an advanced
    level of animals, and there are no moral principles. Since they
    are just animals, they should do whatever they want. Personal
    survival and success will come only by rivalry, strife, and stepping
    on others.

    I think he summed it up very well.

    Ekkman
    Ekkman

  9. Corey April 1, 2011 at 5:04 pm #

    A fool is someone who calls other people fools. – Corey

  10. Danny April 1, 2011 at 5:33 pm #

    Eric,
    I also wanted to say that atheists DO NOT exist. But then again, we need to define atheism. It has various definitions in the dictionaries so it is really based on which dictionary you use. BUT the one that I read said that it is “one who denies there is a God”. He is an atheist or believes in atheism. NO ONE can deny there is a God unless he is all knowing or a liar. He must have all knowledge to tell me there is NO God. I did a 3 skits on my web site showing why I believe God exists even though he not only exists, he LIVES and he lives at the fullest since he is life and the Creator of life. God put it within all of us to know that there is a God. When we step out ON that “knowing” he will reveal himself to us, to put it lightly. He is seeking us first.

    Ekkman

  11. John Bebbington April 2, 2011 at 11:12 am #

    Hey, Eric,

    I don’t know anybody who claims there is no god. I do know quite a few people who, like me, have concluded that there is no convincing evidence for any gods. But that’s a different matter altogether and I am not really interested in what religious beliefs people hold provided such beliefs do not impact adversely upon my own. Down the ages there has been a vast number of gods and differing religious beliefs (particularly amongst the general umbrella of Christianity) and I don’t suppose that will ever change.

    I’m still awaiting a reply from you concerning your father’s implied claim made some hundreds of times a year (until recently) to various assemblies to have been a High School science teacher for 15 years.

  12. Amy Robertson April 2, 2011 at 12:21 pm #

    My dear sweet husband told his mother on April 1st, 14 yrs ago that she would be a grandma for the first time. She did not believe us for many months, until I finally started to show. I guess that is really not a practical joke but it is one that has not been forgotten. Great way to break the news!
    Continue to keep up the great work of your ministry. It is changing lives! God Bless You!

  13. Richard Mahn April 3, 2011 at 11:07 pm #

    Thanks Eric for this entertaining, yet true, post. Keep up the good work so that so many will no longer be fooled.

  14. Geno Castagnoli April 4, 2011 at 10:34 am #

    Danny wrote:
    But let us not forget that, though it may be nonsensical, evolutionary
    theory has greatly affected and damaged mankind
    in the 20th century.

    #####
    Geno:
    Nonsense.

    The main differences between modern despots and those of the past are:
    1) More efficient means of killing and
    2) More people to kill.

    If Pope Urban had nuclear weapons, Mecca would still be glowing……

  15. Jack Napper April 4, 2011 at 10:49 am #

    “Illogical, Captain”

    It’s shame that we can’t respond to “articles”. I’ll take a page from the Creationists book and do it here.

    Consider this argument.

    All reptiles lay eggs.
    Adders are reptiles.
    Adders lay eggs.

    This argument is also logical. “Hold On!” you might shout. Adders don’t lay eggs! No, they don’t. I didn’t say the argument was true. I said it was logical. There is a difference. This perfectly logical argument is untrue, because one of the premises is untrue. While it is true that all birds lay eggs, it is not true that all reptiles lay eggs.

    Your argument fails at #1 Paul.

  16. John Bebbington April 4, 2011 at 11:36 am #

    My nine year old literally cringes when she hears the words “billions of years ago”! She knows better.

    She must be very advanced in her education. Can’t wait to read her book when it’s published.

  17. Danny April 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm #

    John Bebbington
    April 2nd at 11:12 am
    “Hey, Eric,
    I don’t know anybody who claims there is no god. I do know quite a few people who, like me, have concluded that there is no convincing evidence for any gods. But that’s a different matter altogether and I am not really interested in what religious beliefs people hold provided such beliefs do not impact adversely upon my own. Down the ages there has been a vast number of gods and differing religious beliefs (particularly amongst the general umbrella of Christianity) and I don’t suppose that will ever change.”

    John,
    I haven’t talked to you in a while either. Yes, I have problems with Safari going to certain website but I don’t remember if it was this website. Safari or Opera that told me a couple of times that if I go to this page, it has a virus. I went anyway and it didn’t have a virus.
    Well, I wanted to make a couple of comments on your comment above. I have talked to tons of people since I don’t know how many I figured tons would work since I know their total weight would exceed that. Anyway, the ones that I am dealing with are so-called atheists. I told them there are no atheists. NO ONE can tell me that there is no God without knowing all there is to know. HOW can anyone say there is no God UNLESS he is all knowing. That is an attribute that belongs to God. I would be talking to God and he surely wouldn’t tell me that there is no God, if you get my drift.
    I was at a business out here talking to a guy about the Lord Jesus Christ, another guy was listening to me as I told him that there are NO atheists. The other guy who was listening in on the conversation walked up to me with his hand out to shake mine. I shake his hand and he says his name and then says, “Now you have met your first atheist.” I look at him and say, “No, I didn’t” then I told him what I was about to tell the other guy. I proceed to tell him that he CANNOT tell me that there is NO GOD without being all knowing or totally stupid. IT can’t be done. As we are talking and he sees no way around his dilemma then he tells me that he believes in many gods. I am thinking, ‘what a trip!” I tell him, “You just told me that you are an atheist and there are no gods and now you tell me that there are many gods. I tell him, since I am in the middle of a business and there are other customers waiting, to get back with me when he decides to quit playing games and we can really talk.
    The lengths that we will go to seeking to get rid of God is unbelievable.DId you read any of that online book I asked you to read when we were last talking. If you don’t remember it is at evolutionfacts.com. The small one was “EVOLUTION HANDBOOK” and the bigger one was “SCIENTIFIC FACTS AGAINST EVOLUTION -3 Volume Encyclopedia”. The smaller one is downloadable but the bigger one is not. Anyway, it would be worth your time in reading. I am not a scientist but common sense tells me that scientists can be taught wrong just as anybody else can and it is being proven by all the scientists coming our from under Darwinism such as this page shows dissentfromdarwin.org (Scientific
    Dissent From Darwinism) or this page scienceagainstevolution.org/index.htm (Science Against Evolution).

    “I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God”. ~ Abraham Lincoln
    God put it this way, “1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.” (Psa 19)
    A closing quote, really think about this one John.
    “Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened”. ~ Winston Churchill
    Sin keeps us away from God, nothing else.
    I don’t want this to get too long so I will stop here for now.

    Ekkman

  18. Danny April 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm #

    andrew Ryan
    April 1st at 11:00 am
    “Eric, not long ago, you chastised others for resorting to insults. Now you’re making a post centred around calling atheists fools. Isn’t this hypocrisy?
    Anyway, Matthew 5:22, “Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
    Oops.”

    Hi Andrew,
    I can’t really speak for Eric since I am not him BUT I can say that certain people are fools not because I was not calling them fools, God was. God said in his word, “1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psa 14:1)
    God tells me what a fool is so I can tell others based on what God told me in his word. Many fools that I meet on the streets and places I go tell me that they believe in God but there lifestyle (deathstyle) plainly shows me that they do not believe.”
    NOW if I go around calling people fools that I disagree with or am mad at them I am in deeeepppp danger and I better repent before it is too late. I went bar witnessing for 7 years straight and I was called every name in the book and many would tell me to go to hell with all the name calling. It was the same ones that told me that there is no hell. Makes me wonder.
    We have had many fools running our country lately BUT they say with their mouths that they believe in God but their life shows the opposite. God calls them fools. Read Psa 14:1 again and really think about what God is saying. Also check some of my preaching videos on my website if you get the chance. Jesus is Lord and he is coming soon! By the looks of things super soon!

    .Ekkman

  19. Danny April 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm #

    Corey
    April 1st at 5:04 pm
    A fool is someone who calls other people fools. Corey

    Hi Corey,
    As I told Andrew, it is God who calls people fools and he tells why they are fools. To repeat what God said is a fool is not a reflection on the people telling others but on the God who told us what a fool is.
    Calling God a fool is a dangerous thing but he gave us the choice to either love and obey him or hate and disobey him. WE choose but he wants all saved.

    Ekkman

  20. Danny April 4, 2011 at 6:09 pm #

    Duane
    April 1st at 4:09 pm
    No, you know what the cruelest practical joke is? To create a Hell and damn everyone to it for the sole “crime” of not believing a largely plagiarized irrational story written down 1000s of years ago, decades after it happened, by non-witnesses, in obsolete languages, on paper that rots. The primary vector of this “salvation” is one person convincing another using as “proof” this book. A book that doesn’t even include Heaven and Hell for most of it. It takes the “Prince of Peace” to come up with something as cruel as Hell. And this book is demonstrably wrong nearly every time it tries to describe anything verifiable.
    A God that loved us and wanted us to experience Him would not put such conditions on this love. He would make Himself clearly known to everyone and not play an elaborate game of hide and seek with the price of admission everlasting torture. Listen to your own story. Hell isn’t for the Adolf Hitlers, it’s for people with simple common sense that haven’t been convinced by your story or even heard it.

    Hi Duane,
    I guess you can pick and choose which parts of the book you don’t like or agree with if that is what you want to do BUT a few other things stick out to me such as your comment on the bible being wrong on anything verifiable. I thought that was an interesting comment.
    Even though it is not a Christian organization, the Smithsonian Institute had this to say,
    “In short, it is impossible to verify the actual events recorded in the Biblical account of the flood. On the other hand, much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated. There are conflicts between present archeological evidence and historical reports that may result from a lack of information on our part or from misunderstandings or mistakes by the ancient writers.”
    That sounds verifiable to me. Go to my page below and check out my preaching videos, I deal with faith and how all of us live by faith. Yea, you read it correctly. ALL of us live by faith. God made it so simple that a little child cannot err in the way of salvation in Jesus. As I told John Bebbington that only sin keeps us from God. Watch my video on “Faith – Natural and Supernatural at video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8901383964983799641#

    Ekkman

  21. Jeff Brace April 4, 2011 at 10:07 pm #

    @ Duane

    You obviously have very little knowledge of the Bible. The plan of salvation can even be found in Genesis. God is not a bully as you portray Him. You should at least do yourself a favor and read and try to understand what God did for us through His Son Jesus. Not knowing the real truth of the Word is of your own choice. Remember that when you face Him at the judgement as we all will.
    There is no single book that is more accurate and timeless as the Bible. I wish we could link here so I coiuld give you some resources.

  22. Danny April 4, 2011 at 11:40 pm #

    Eric,
    I meant to share this comment in that book I have been reading, Science vs Evolution. The quote says,
    “EVOLUTION COULD NOT DO THIS
    The mallee bird lives in the Australian desert. In May or June,
    with his claws the male makes a pit in the sand that is just the right
    size: about 3 feet [9 dm] deep and 6 feet [18 dm] long. Then he fills it
    with vegetation. As it rots, it heats up. The bird waits patiently until
    the rains, which increase the heat to over 100o F. [38o C.] at the bottom
    of the pile. The bird waits until it is down to 92o F. [33o C.]. When the
    right temperature is reached, he calls for his wife; they mate; she lays
    one egg a day for 30 days and then leaves. The male then covers the
    eggs with sand and continually checks the temperature with his amazing
    thermometer bill for 7 weeks. He cannot let the temperature go up
    or down even one degree. If it cools at night, he piles on more sand. If
    it overheats in the day, he pulls off sand. At hatching time, the chicks
    break their shells and crawl up through as much as 2 feet of sand!
    Arriving at the top, each one is fully able to fly and is on its own.
    Neither father or mother mallee bird gives it any further attention or
    training. When it grows up, it does just as its parents did.”

    We live in an incredible world made by an even more incredible Creator.

    Ekkman

  23. Jennifer Preston April 5, 2011 at 1:07 am #

    John Bebbington wrote
    “I’m still awaiting a reply from you concerning your father’s implied claim made some hundreds of times a year (until recently) to various assemblies to have been a High School science teacher for 15 years.”

    Yes, I would like to know this too.

  24. andrew Ryan April 5, 2011 at 9:51 am #

    Danny: God said in his word, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” (Psa 14:1)”

    Danny, can you prove that God said this? If fact, forget proof – do you even have any evidence that he said this? I could easily claim that God said “The fool said there IS a God”.

  25. John Bebbington April 5, 2011 at 9:39 am #

    Hi Jennifer,

    It’s lucky for us that hell will freeze over before we get an answer.

    Better lay up a wooly cashmere shroud in readiness.

  26. Danny April 5, 2011 at 3:41 pm #

    andrew Ryan
    April 5th at 9:51 am
    Danny: God said in his word, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” (Psa 14:1)
    Danny, can you prove that God said this? If fact, forget proof – do you even have any evidence that he said this? I could easily claim that God said “The fool said there IS a God”.

    Thanks for getting back with me Andrew. I cut and pasted what you said so you can see it easier. Your first question is can I prove that God said this? Then you said, “forget proof- do you have any evidence that he said this?”
    Andrew, I have noticed over the years that when I am in debates and people get really mad or angry at me, they start saying things that either don’t make sense or they are so mad they ask silly questions or repeat themselves. Isn’t giving you evidence giving you proof? Anyway, yes and no. I KNOW God exists and I know he said what he said in his book. I do know if far better than you know that everything came from nothing as evolution teaches and you or they have no proof whatsoever for their belief system. Time and chance can’t create this universe our of nothing but God can. Your belief system has absolutely nothing to stand on, it is quicksand. Do you believe he didn’t say the things in his word since you used God’s word against Eric.
    Here is your statement to Eric that I was answering.

    andrew Ryan
    April 1st at 11:00 am
    “Eric, not long ago, you chastised others for resorting to insults. Now you’re making a post centred around calling atheists fools. Isn’t this hypocrisy?
    Anyway, Matthew 5:22, “Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
    Oops.”

    Didn’t you use the word of God to reprove Eric? Even though you used it incorrectly as the cults do. You pulled it our or context and built your own strawman, so to speak. Can you prove to me that God didn’t say it. I have been walking in the word of God for years and he has proven himself and his word to me time and time again. There is way too much to type. Go to my web site by clicking on Ekkman below and watch my video where I deal with my testimony and there I share just a little of what the Lord has done in my life. He is an incredible God.
    You also said in your last post,
    “I could easily claim that God said “The fool said there IS a God”.
    Andrew, by saying that you are right, there are many, many fools out in the world system that are saying that there is a God. To say there is a GOD with your mouth and saying it with your life or heart is totally different. The fool saying in his heart is a person saying that there is no God by his lifestyle. The rest of Psa 14:1 shows that clearly.

    Ekkman

  27. Duane April 6, 2011 at 12:30 am #

    Danny April 4th at 6:09 pm

    Duane
    April 1st at 4:09 pm
    No, you know what the cruelest practical joke is? To create a Hell and damn everyone to it for the sole “crime” of not believing a largely plagiarized irrational story written down 1000s of years ago, decades after it happened, by non-witnesses, in obsolete languages, on paper that rots. The primary vector of this “salvation” is one person convincing another using as “proof” this book. A book that doesn’t even include Heaven and Hell for most of it. It takes the “Prince of Peace” to come up with something as cruel as Hell. And this book is demonstrably wrong nearly every time it tries to describe anything verifiable.
    A God that loved us and wanted us to experience Him would not put such conditions on this love. He would make Himself clearly known to everyone and not play an elaborate game of hide and seek with the price of admission everlasting torture. Listen to your own story. Hell isn’t for the Adolf Hitlers, it’s for people with simple common sense that haven’t been convinced by your story or even heard it.

    Hi Duane,
    I guess you can pick and choose which parts of the book you don’t like or agree with if that is what you want to do BUT a few other things stick out to me such as your comment on the bible being wrong on anything verifiable. I thought that was an interesting comment.
    Even though it is not a Christian organization, the Smithsonian Institute had this to say,
    “In short, it is impossible to verify the actual events recorded in the Biblical account of the flood. On the other hand, much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated. There are conflicts between present archeological evidence and historical reports that may result from a lack of information on our part or from misunderstandings or mistakes by the ancient writers.”
    That sounds verifiable to me. Go to my page below and check out my preaching videos, I deal with faith and how all of us live by faith. Yea, you read it correctly. ALL of us live by faith. God made it so simple that a little child cannot err in the way of salvation in Jesus. As I told John Bebbington that only sin keeps us from God. Watch my video on “Faith Natural and Supernatural at video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8901383964983799641#

    Ekkman

    That quote from an organization dependent upon tax dollars and good will from politicians aside, it still doesn’t change the fact that once archeologists stopped trying to prove the Bible and let the evidence speak for itself that more and more of the Bible has been shown to not be accurate history. It reads exactly as expected. It is a written digest of ancient histories and mythologies long after they happened, full of the expected anachronisms and conflations of historical events. We have no verifications of ANY events or people prior to the Babylonian exhile and much confirmation that many events did in fact not happen. There was no historical Moses, nor an exodus, nor did Joshua conquer Israel. But that’s for the scholars. I don’t particularly want to get into the details other than it points to a history written by a people and not something inspired by a deity.

    But my bit about the cruelest practical joke stands. This is a sick and venal worldview you people hold.

    Jeff Brace April 4th at 10:07 pm

    @ Duane

    You obviously have very little knowledge of the Bible. The plan of salvation can even be found in Genesis. God is not a bully as you portray Him. You should at least do yourself a favor and read and try to understand what God did for us through His Son Jesus. Not knowing the real truth of the Word is of your own choice. Remember that when you face Him at the judgement as we all will.
    There is no single book that is more accurate and timeless as the Bible. I wish we could link here so I coiuld give you some resources.

    What, would you link to some apologetics? I would LOVE to read even ONE that didn’t rely on fallacy after fallacy. Most are circular reasoning, with arguments from ignorance and appeals to emotion and consequence. Then there’s the old Pascal’s Wager. I had a “discussion” with Sye the other day and tore his nonsensical Presuppositional Apologetics apart. It only takes one question to kill that one. There is ALWAYS some logical flaw in every apologetic.

    I know you guys mean well. My rants aren’t even really with you. You have been deceived by the oldest scam/hoax in history. It is a pernicious virus that has infected mankind for time immemorial. While mostly harmless, it can result in the outright theft down to simply misrepresenting the truth. It’s primary purpose is to survive by taking in money and controlling the people through fear and greed. What you have is a social club that thinks its rules are supposed to apply to all of us.

  28. John Bebbington April 6, 2011 at 1:14 am #

    Danny:

    Didn’t you use the word of God to reprove Eric? Even though you used it incorrectly as the cults do. You pulled it our or context and built your own strawman, so to speak.

    But that is what all christians (and muslims) do.

    I was recently watching a program on the Amish. A young man of 20 had been evangelised by another christian cult and had decided to leave his community. But before doing so he turned to the bible to find “the will of the Lord” on the matter. And, of course, he found one which he felt supported his previously-arrived at decision. The verse had nothing to do with him deciding to quit his family and way of life but, for him, it served its purpose. The Lord agreed with him that he should leave – and so he did.

  29. Danny April 6, 2011 at 11:56 pm #

    Duane,
    I asked you to read something from the Smithsonian Institute which is NOT a Christian organization and in reply you said the paragraph below. WHO did you say was doing the “ranting” or “raving” whichever you called it without trying to find it again. Also dealing with archeologists. They don’t need to prove the bible to us, they just use it to find artifacts and places that it talks about and it works. So they use the information in it more. Because it is trustworthy.

    “That quote from an organization dependent upon tax dollars and good will from politicians aside, it still doesn’t change the fact that once archeologists stopped trying to prove the Bible and let the evidence speak for itself that more and more of the Bible has been shown to not be accurate history. It reads exactly as expected. It is a written digest of ancient histories and mythologies long after they happened, full of the expected anachronisms and conflations of historical events. We have no verifications of ANY events or people prior to the Babylonian exhile and much confirmation that many events did in fact not happen. There was no historical Moses, nor an exodus, nor did Joshua conquer Israel. But that’s for the scholars. I don’t particularly want to get into the details other than it points to a history written by a people and not something inspired by a deity.
    But my bit about the cruelest practical joke stands. This is a sick and venal worldview you people hold.

  30. Danny April 7, 2011 at 2:16 am #

    John BebbingtonApril 6th at 1:14 am
    Danny:
    Didn’t you use the word of God to reprove Eric? Even though you used it incorrectly as the cults do. You pulled it our or context and built your own strawman, so to speak.
    But that is what all christians (and muslims) do.
    I was recently watching a program on the Amish. A young man of 20 had been evangelised by another christian cult and had decided to leave his community. But before doing so he turned to the bible to find “the will of the Lord” on the matter. And, of course, he found one which he felt supported his previously-arrived at decision. The verse had nothing to do with him deciding to quit his family and way of life but, for him, it served its purpose. The Lord agreed with him that he should leave and so he did.

    John,
    Even though we haven’t talked in a while I was expecting a better debate from you than this. You remind me of my reply to Duane a few minutes ago. He also knew MORE than the tax exempt places, the archeologists and the historians put together. NOW you are telling me that ALL Christians and Muslims use it incorrectly. I didn’t even know the Muslims use the bible. Anyway, you go on to prove your point by telling me about a program you watched and the illustration you used there proves my point even more, you KNEW what the guy was thinking and why he did what he did. Amazing! Thanks for the deep insight John. You never answered my question from another post, did you read that online book that I asked you to check out quite a while back?

    “The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an unproved theory – is it then a science or a faith? Belief in the theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to belief in special creation – both are concepts which believers know to be true but neither, up to the present, has been capable of proof” – Introduction to The Origin of Species (London: J.M. Dent & Sons, Ltd., 1971)

    The above is probably why a lot of biologists are coming out from under the burden that Darwinian Evolution has caused.

    Ekkman

  31. Danny April 7, 2011 at 1:50 am #

    Duane,
    You sent me the info below in reference to my asking you to read some comments from the Smithsonian Institute since it is not a Christian organization and they use the bible to find places and things that it talks about. Since it works very well for them, they use it more.

    “That quote from an organization dependent upon tax dollars and good will from politicians aside, it still doesn’t change the fact that once archeologists stopped trying to prove the Bible and let the evidence speak for itself that more and more of the Bible has been shown to not be accurate history. It reads exactly as expected. It is a written digest of ancient histories and mythologies long after they happened, full of the expected anachronisms and conflations of historical events. We have no verifications of ANY events or people prior to the Babylonian exhile and much confirmation that many events did in fact not happen. There was no historical Moses, nor an exodus, nor did Joshua conquer Israel. But that’s for the scholars. I don’t particularly want to get into the details other than it points to a history written by a people and not something inspired by a deity.
    But my bit about the cruelest practical joke stands. This is a sick and venal worldview you people hold.”

    So based on your reply, I must ask you since your “rants” are not directed to Jeff in the same post, I will take for granted they are not directed at me either. But I do have a few questions based on your reply to me. So a tax deductible organization if they are such is ruled out as trustworthy to use or am I reading you wrongly? I guess your argument makes sense in some ways, Planned Parenthood is that type of organization. They SURELY should not be trusted. But then again, I know that there has to be some other reason that you said the above since a lot of schools that train evolutionists are in that category. I also know they cannot be trusted since they lie over and over and over to protect their jobs, their careers, whatever else, family, save face with others, not willing to admit they have been led astray.

    Anyway, you also said that you didn’t care for a God who would demand conditions on his love. That sounds fairly good on the surface until I look below the veneer. It looks worse under here.
    I am going to say something that might sound strange to you but let me go through the whole scenario first. God’s love is unconditional but there is a condition. Keep reading. The word makes it plain that we must repent to enter into life of God. By that statement I mean that for anyone to want Jesus as their Lord and Saviour must see their need. I do NOT need a Saviour if I don’t see myself as a sinner and I don’t want a Lord if I think I am ruling my kingdom very well without him. There are two places heaven and hell. If you don’t want to be with the God of heaven then you get to be with the god of hell, so to speak.
    Back to the unconditional condition??? Nobody would want the gift God offers in the Lord Jesus Christ unless they saw their NEED and in seeing that need there will be repentance coming forth or the need is not really seen or understood. Saying it another way, I saw what the Lord Jesus Christ did for me, what he went through to set me free. I wanted him and I didn’t want the sin that I was living in, hence I “repented” when I came to him. I could not truly believe unless I repented and I could not truly repent unless I believed. They go hand In hand.
    So you think your wife would be sloppy if she demanded conditions. I mean would she get upset with you if you told her that you didn’t want her to be with other men, that you wanted her to be faithful to you? But she must let you see all the women you want whenever you want them? Would she go with that and if not, why not? I mean we are just animals, higher animals but from some New Agers that I talk to they think man is lower than animals. But that is another subject.
    I could talk for hours about all the things the Lord has done for me and in me since I have received him. And I will if you would like me to. My phone number is on my website, give me a call.
    Trying to convince me that he doesn’t exist is like me trying to convince you that your parents don’t exist. You can see and hear just a little bit of the things that he has done in my life if you go to my website. He is a truly incredible, awesome and loving God. He hates the death of the wicked. I KNOW him, I walk with him, I talk with him. He comforts me, leads me, encourages me, helps me, keeps me and most of all he loves me.
    I must say that a lot of the things you said in your reply to me has to defined as “ranting and raving” since there is very little proof or substance in what you said. I could take you through a lot of the names and places that have been said to be made up years past and have been found today by archeologists. Names, kings, and places they thought was make believe.
    Science is what always changes with the times. Science has taught us many falsehoods though they years. When they correct their mistakes, they fall more in line with the bible. From reading your above comments you seem to know more than the tax exempt places, than the archeologists and historians. You seem to be an exceptionally smart person. I am just making a comment on what I read.
    Enough for now. Just remember that Jesus is a prayer away from and each and everyone of us.

    “Darwinian evolutionary theory was my field of specialization in biology. Among other things, I wrote a textbook on the subject thirty years ago. Meanwhile, however I have become an apostate from Darwinian theory and have described it as part of modernism’s origination myth. Consequently, I certainly agree that biology students at least should have the opportunity to learn about the flaws and limits of Darwin’s theory while they are learning about the theory’s strongest claims.”
    Dr. Stanley Salthe, Professor Emeritus, Brooklyn College of the City University of New York .

    Ekkman

  32. andrew Ryan April 7, 2011 at 4:42 am #

    “Andrew, I have noticed over the years that when I am in debates and people get really mad or angry at me, they start saying things that either don’t make sense or they are so mad they ask silly questions or repeat themselves. Isn’t giving you evidence giving you proof?”

    No Danny, it is not. If you can’t tell the difference between evidence and proof, then it explains a lot about your arguing technique. To clarify: I wasn’t getting mad or angry with you; I wasn’t repeating myself, and I was making sense, and I wasn’t asking a silly question.

    Proof is something undeniable, whereas one can have two sets of evidences supporting difference hypotheses, which one must weigh against each other.

    So by saying “Forget proof, just give me some evidence”, I’m saying that I’m not demanding something perfect, I’m just asking for anything that supports your claim in any way.

    At the end of the day, it’s circular to attempt to quote the bible to show that atheists are wrong-thinking. Any holy book can say “people who don’t believe this holy book are idiots!”. It has no value. If you already believe the holy book then obviously you’ll take its word for it, but if you don’t, then the assertion has no authoritative force.

  33. Corey April 7, 2011 at 9:49 am #

    @Danny
    My quote was based on the fact that Eric is using an ad hominem argument by quoting the Bible saying anyone does not believe in God, has no heart.

    I can give several quotations:
    “A fool and his money are soon parted.”
    “Who is more foolish: the fool or the fool who follows the fool?”
    “Can the blind lead the blind?”

    Does these help an argument on whether God is real or creation or evolution is science or religion?

    On a side note, I was watching Man On The Moon, a film about Andy Kaufman. Andy was a comedian and prankster who loved to fool his audience.

    After finding out he had lung cancer, he tried different New Age medicines and went to Phillipines to have psychic surgery. He realized that he was being tricked.

    There have been similiar instances of Christians who do not seek medicial treatment and believe that God will heal them. This has lead to children dying from curable illnesses and their parents being charged.

  34. John Bebbington April 7, 2011 at 12:18 pm #

    Danny,

    Your quoting of Matthews (published in 1972 and not 1971, by the way) is as brazen a piece of creationist quote-mining as me stating that the musselman’s familiar mantra proclaims that “There is no God”.

    Matthews was an out-and-out evolutionist and when the Arkansas creation trial came up the defendant’s lawyer wanted to call Matthews to give evidence for the creationist side based upon that partial quote. However, Matthews wrote a letter to the lawyer telling him in no uncertain terms exactly what his thoughts were on the matter of evolution as a result of which the lawyer had second thoughts. Matthews was not called.

    Why you and your fellows constantly practice this dishonest quote-mining is beyond me. Jesus must be be ashamed of you all. Perhaps thunder isn’t the result of lightning but heavenly face-palming.

    I could talk for hours about all the things the Lord has done for me and in me since I have received him. And I will if you would like me to. My phone number is on my website, give me a call.

    So what about all the bad things, Danny? And I know a little of your private life because you have written about it. Are your misfortunes mainly your fault? Is your peculiarly intense form of religiosity a cause, do you think? As a husband and father are you a bit of pain to be around? Are you as effectively locked up inside your mind as Kent is in his prison because of an inability to consider that perhaps you may be even a teasy-weasy bit very slightly mistaken about anything? Are you really a Godly person or just another zealot? And like that young Amish fellow, is there a text in the Bible for every opinion which you already hold?

    If any of the above is true, why should I listen to anything you have to say? If everything is a done deal there’s no further point in talking.

    You asked me:

    DId you read any of that online book I asked you to read when we were last talking. If you don’t remember it is at evolutionfacts.com. The small one was “EVOLUTION HANDBOOK” and the bigger one was “SCIENTIFIC FACTS AGAINST EVOLUTION -3 Volume Encyclopedia”.

    Yes, I did look at the website and the ebook entitled “Science vs.Evolution” written by the hugely ignorant, scientifically-illiterate, anti-vaxer, Seventh Day Adventist (although hated by many 7thDAs) hate-filled Lance Ferrell. Or am I being too generous?

    But I didn’t read much of it. When you come across such ludicrous nonsense as:

    The theory According to this theory, in the beginning, there was no matter, just nothingness. Then this nothingness con- densed by gravity into a single, tiny spot; and it decided to explode!

    what is the point of reading any further? You don’t have to eat much of a Kraft dinner to know it’s awful – whatever my children say to the contrary.

  35. John Bebbington April 7, 2011 at 12:30 pm #

    Danny,

    I see that you are at it again. Was that thunder I just heard?

    “Darwinian evolutionary theory was my field of specialization in biology. Among other things, I wrote a textbook on the subject thirty years ago. Meanwhile, however I have become an apostate from Darwinian theory and have described it as part of modernism’s origination myth. Consequently, I certainly agree that biology students at least should have the opportunity to learn about the flaws and limits of Darwin’s theory while they are learning about the theory’s strongest claims.”

    Dr. Stanley Salthe, Professor Emeritus, Brooklyn College of the City University of New York .

    Salthe was an atheist. He believed to his dying day in evolution and an ancient universe. All he queried was the Darwinist mechanism. That’s a scientific question – not a theological one.

    Can’t you do any better – you are embarrassing yourself?

  36. Geno Castagnoli April 8, 2011 at 9:16 am #

    John wrote:
    But I didn’t read much of it. When you come across such ludicrous nonsense as:

    The theory According to this theory, in the beginning, there was no matter, just nothingness. Then this nothingness con- densed by gravity into a single, tiny spot; and it decided to explode!

    what is the point of reading any further? You don’t have to eat much of a Kraft dinner to know it’s awful whatever my children say to the contrary.

    ######
    Geno comments:
    Since CSE says they aim their “science” at a fourth grade level, that seems to be expected…….