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Thoughts on the article “Oldest High-Altitude Settlements Discovered”

Discovery News reports, “Oldest High-Altitude Settlements Discovered.” Where do they come up with these wild numbers?! “Human settlements dating back up to 49,000 years … sealed in volcanic ash in Papua, New Guinea mountains … ” Wow! Where to start? Even after many years of clear demonstrations that the radiometric dating methods are loaded with flaws and assumptions (see Seminar Part 7), they continue to trust them! When lava from Mount St. Helens was tested, it yielded five different ages ranging from 380,000 to 2,800,000 years. None of the five test results were the same and none were right!  IT had just erupted!

Age and evidence

I agree that evidence of campsites on these mountains has been found. Evidence of human activity is often pretty easy to determine. In the case of stone tools, it is obvious that some human designed the tool for a particular use, such as hunting, cutting, scrapping or grinding. Why can’t these same researchers see that the entire universe, the world, the human body and every plant and animal on the planet is SCREAMING at us, “I WAS DESIGNED”? Peter had it right. In the last days, scoffers would be “willingly ignorant” (II Peter 3:3—œ9).  What is unbelievable are those who can’t or won’t see the obvious evidence of design all around us and choose to believe in random-chance evolution instead!

God designed the world and will soon come to be the Judge. I suggest you get ready for that trial—ASAP! Don’t be fooled by all the propaganda about millions of years. It’s sooner than you think. See our Seminar series to vaccinate you and your children against the dangerous disease that is evolution. It’s free to watch on our website.

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  1. Mike Ayala October 21, 2010 at 7:23 am #

    Hi Dr. Hovind,

    My dad told me,

    “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”

    I have found that to be true. We cannot convince scoffers and the like against their will. They must be willing to allow themselves to consider what they once considered unthinkable. It is really an issue of humility: We all must be willing to be changed by the divine revelation of God. His desire is to conform each of us into the image of His Son who trusted and obeyed the Father. Likewise, our love for the Lord is measured by our trusting and obeying His word. Jesus said,

    “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.”

    (That’s Mr. and Mrs. him.)

    The bottom line seems to be whether or not one has a love of the truth. Remember, the Bible tells us,

    “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

    and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

    that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

    God bless and protect you.

    Mike Ayala

  2. Mike C October 21, 2010 at 11:09 am #

    Alright Kent. Lets hear some of the evidences against radiometric dating. Please don’t tell me to go and watch your seminars. They are at the very least incredibly boring and have several times been picked apart.

    I would rather the information be clearly stated here for all to see.

    Or perhaps If you must refer me to a seminar, please state the time block in which you make your points.

    In regards to the lava flows I assume you are referring to the 1986 dacite flow from the new lava dome at Mount St. Helens by Steven Austin. I put forth the following reply from Rational Skepticism.

    ” 1. Austin sent his samples to a laboratory that clearly states that their equipment cannot accurately measure samples less than two million years old. All of the measured ages but one fall well under the stated limit of accuracy, so the method applied to them is obviously inapplicable. Since Austin misused the measurement technique, he should expect inaccurate results, but the fault is his, not the technique’s. Experimental error is a possible explanation for the older date.

    2. Austin’s samples were not homogeneous, as he himself admitted. Any xenocrysts in the samples would make the samples appear older (because the xenocrysts themselves would be old). A K-Ar analysis of impure fractions of the sample, as Austin’s were, is meaningless. ”

    There is a great deal more study put into Austins conclusion that renders it invalid but that should suffice for now.

    What other issues with dating do you have?

  3. Julie Collins October 21, 2010 at 1:06 pm #

    people just do not know when to quit. i have been studying ocean topography maps, and i see nothing that says the continents just drifted there with time, if anything it looks more like they were stretched there like a rubber band. no evidence that faults did it at all. north America and south America are still connected, and so is north America to Asia. faults cannot separate and still leave part of something attached. not unless they are new. also the only two continents that appear to “fit like puzzle pieces” are south America and Africa. and even they look too different with ocean topography. my theory would be that they eroded that way, and the sediments appeared by the flood which was made by mantle upwelling. (scientist also believe in mantle upwelling… imagine that)

    in fact i have always wondered why the earth was told to be 4.5 billion years old and the plate appear to be just starting to move about 200 million years ago… as far as i can tell solar flares and neutrinos disrupting radioactivity makes radiometric dating of all kinds pointless and useless.

    also universality is a main component of evolutionist arguments. and i do not believe universality is possible in a random universe, and even then it is said to only work with visible matter… and dark matter is a hypothesis.

    the ocean floor is littered with everything that says the plates did not move the continents into place, like the new zealand continent in the water, Madagascar, random underwater volcanoes, and also the fact that if the plates did move as a result of lava pressing against them, than the pressure keeping the lava inside the ridge must be enormous, and since hot-spots are able to make islands like Hawaii, i would theorize that if a oceanic ridge WAS powered by lava that it would make a GIANT mountain range as the lava pushes up through the water.

    anyways, take this evidence as you wish, any “refutation” using wrong, false, made-up or “yadda scientist said”, is not good information. actually put observed or tested data in there. i know it is hard for you evolutionist. but i do not want a bunch of bull as a fake refutation as i know you are known for.

  4. Alfred Russell Wallace October 21, 2010 at 1:10 pm #

    >>>> the radiometric dating methods are loaded with flaws and assumptions (see Seminar Part 7), they continue to trust them!

    NO ONE IS USING RADIOMETRIC DATING METHODS!

    Did you get that yet?

    HERE ARE THE ONES WE USE TO DETERMINE AGE OF FOSSILS:

    RUBIDIUM-STRONTIUM

    POTASSIUM-ARGON

    URANIUM-LEAD

    Kent, your arguments are so stale.. they are rotten.

  5. Carl M October 21, 2010 at 5:02 pm #

    When lava from Mount St. Helens was tested, it yielded five different ages ranging from 380,000 to 2,800,000 years. None of the five test results were the same and none were right! IT had just erupted!

    This argument may sound impressive until the tricks are explained.

    “They” refers to Steve Austin of the Institute for Creation Research.

    What Austin did was send the samples to a lab which specifically stated they can not accurately date materials less than 2,000,000 years old. One, their equipment wasn’t sensitive enough to give accurate results and, two, the K/Ar dating is not appropriate for very young samples.

    What Austin did was expect to weigh a mouse on bathroom scales. Bathroom scales are fine for weighing people with a plus or minus one pound result. But a mouse (a young sample) with a plus or minus one pound produces nonsense results. The mouse may weigh nothing through to more than one pound.

    With all types of sampling and measuring the result is a range of measurements.

    And this is before we get into the issue of weather Austin successfully removed all of the ancient materials accumulated in the lava as it traveled through the structure of the volcano.

  6. Randy Miller October 21, 2010 at 5:44 pm #

    This is my first “post” at CSE.
    Let’s see …
    ~I own all 7 of the videos, and have watched them all.
    ~I am very interested in the ongoing debate between creationism and darwinism.
    ~I am 47 years old, and have been a Christian since I was 20.
    ~I am a creationist.
    ~Dr. Hovind’s videos have become an excellent resource tool for me.
    ~I wrote Dr Hovind a letter earlier this year (thanking him for his work), and he wrote me back.
    What else?
    ~I have enjoyed the debates on this blog.
    ~I have never seen such respecful darwinist debaters as I have seen on this site (and I have debated MANY a darwinist).
    ~In my view, molecular biology has served to scientifically prove the case for creationism (or ID if you prefer).
    Irreducible Complexity, along with the scientific observation that “information (DNA) always comes from intelligence” serve to deliver knock out punches to the outdated darwin theory.
    I’m in good company with such a belief,
    The (former) world renowned darwin apologist Antony Flew renounced darwinism in favor of ID because of the scientific advances in molecular biology, and the complexity of cell structure that was revealed.
    That’s all for now.
    God Bless …

  7. Carl M October 21, 2010 at 7:09 pm #

    See our Seminar series to vaccinate you and your children against the dangerous disease that is evolution.

    Oh, now Mr Hovind believes in vaccines?

    ——————————

    I think it would be difficult to prove that vaccines have cured any diseases. I think you will find that cleaning up sanitation laws, inspection of cattle and stuff like that, getting rid of diseased creatures and diseased crops is really what has done the job. Now there may be a coincidence they happened at the same time. Like when they started, you know, vaccinating for one thing and at the same time had better sanitation laws and inspections. It may look like the vaccine cured the disease when actually something else cured the disease.
    Source: Truth Radio 27 October 2003 @ 48:35

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    EMAIL: What do you feel about the so called flu season that comes around every year? [...] Is the flu season real and are these flu shots what they think?

    HOVIND: I don’t give any medical advice but I would say my opinion is to me it is a hoax. Certainly there is a flu and certainly flu goes round but I would never get a flu shot for anything. [...]

    EMAIL: Last year they had the older population freaking out over trying to get their flu shot. [...] I26 in Hendersonville backed up for miles last year [near the free clinic]. Are the shots necessary?

    HOVIND: I would say no.

    EMAIL: Or is the government getting people of all class systems and status ready for a communist-like lifestyle with the
    approach of the New World Order?

    HOVIND: I would yes, probably.

    EMAIL: So they will be used to the lines and the fear they can’t get along without the government.

    HOVIND: That’s correct. There are those that want everyone dependent on the government.
    Truth Radio 10 August 2006 @ 25:30 (Tape 1)

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    Satan is seeing to it that well meaning parents are destroying their children’s immune system by putting over 22 viruses into their system before they are two.
    Source: cbbc.net Jan 2002 Session #3 @ 18:00

    ——————–

    There is much empirical data that conclusively proves vaccinations can be harmful, and in many cases fatal, and should therefore be avoided. [.....] There is also a book available through CSE which provides in-depth information concerning the dangers of vaccinations and how they destroy our God-given immune system.
    Source: drdino.com [July 2003]

    ———————-

    Did you know 200 Americans died in the Gulf War? 26,000 died afterwards of Gulf War Syndrome from the vaccines they were given.
    Source: cbbc.net Jan 2002 Session #3

    ———————–

    You know, I know lots of people who’ve never been vaccinated. It doesn’t hurt.
    Source: Truth Radio 21 July 2004 @ 8:20

  8. martin bernal October 21, 2010 at 11:24 pm #

    You know I have this CRAZY scientific theory, and I’m hoping that with enough evidence it can become scientific law. Let’s call it the “Bernal Theory”. I believe that If you get enough people to say that our great great great grandfather was a rock, and that our very very distant cousin is a pineapple, there will be people that ACTUALLY will start to believe it! But you can’t just get anyone to say it because then it would just sound stupid. I believe that you would have to get somebody that sounds credible, like someone that has a PhD in front of their name. I know that this theory is crazy but I believe that we can find enough evidence to make it a law.

  9. Don Carr October 22, 2010 at 1:59 am #

    Numbers, numbers, numbers…

    These numbers are likely dragged out of Kabbalah and other scriptural texts in a mocking manner. The dogmatists try to turn ancient mnemonic devices into superstitious nonsense.

    49,000 is 49 times 1000, where 49 is the 49 stages of the Bardo, an ancient Tibetan (?) teaching of what Christ had to go through to ascend. ie a lot of suffering. The bible is full of numbers and parables of which one had to seek out the higher meaning.

    And yes we have been designed, and our designer is named YHWH, pronounced “Yaweh” or something like that. YHWH is 4 spaces with 3 letters, so we have 4 nucleotides grouped in 3 forming a codon. Such that all living things carry the name of YHWH (God). Even his appointed son’s name is YHSWH, often pronounced Yeshua.

    God is a poor substitute for YHWH, it is related to Gad, a god of luck (Isaiah 65 vs 11 in a decent translation – not the King James farce). Guess we use the word “God” anyhow. (Dog spelled backwards – a coincidence? Dogon tribe – or No God when rearranged)

    I think Dr. Hovind has clearly demonstrated that there was a catastrophic flood about 4500 years ago. This is not the time to be angry. An enormous Host of Ascended Masters (Christ’s brothers etc.) are shining their Love into this realm for those who can receive. First one needs to know they (multitudes) are there. (My children perish for a lack of Knowledge).

    “Remove the tree from your own eye before you attempt to remove the straw from another’s.” The tree is the system of Babylon, or the devil and all his branchings.

    The parables are the milk, whereas the hidden teachings are the meat. Man has to eat meat to swing the axe to knock down that tree of Babylon…

    Anyone care to eat meat ?

  10. Joakim Rosqvist October 22, 2010 at 2:21 am #

    >>Even after many years of clear demonstrations that the radiometric dating methods are loaded with flaws

    Ordinary clocks have many flaws:
    *) They may not be synchronized with a reference clock
    *) They might not have been adjusted for daylight savings time
    *) They may be set for the wrong timezone
    *) It may have stopped temporarily during a power failure
    *) The battery might not have enough power left to drive it
    *) One might confuse AM with PM
    *) One might mix up the hour- and minute-hand
    *) Someone may have changed it to play tricks with you
    *) It may be of poor quality and slowly drift away from proper time

    And yet you and I both use clocks daily and find them useful and reliable. That is because we are aware of the above pitfalls and know how to avoid or compensate for them.
    Likewise, people how work with radiometric and other long-range dating methods are aware of their problems and have developed procedures and cross-checks to make the dating reliable. If rare anomalous or inconsistent results are encountered, it is smarter to figure out what caused it and update the handling procedures than to abandon the methods.

  11. Carl M October 22, 2010 at 5:58 pm #

    @ martin bernal

    You know I have this CRAZY scientific theory, and I’m hoping that with enough evidence it can become scientific law.

    Scientific theories don’t become laws.

    [Shakes head and walks away]

  12. Jack Napper October 23, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    I believe that you would have to get somebody that sounds credible, like someone that has a PhD in front of their name.

    Probably not very credible if they put the PhD in FRONT of their name.

    I know that this theory is crazy but I believe that we can find enough evidence to make it a law.

    Except that theories don’t get promoted to laws. Theories contain laws.

  13. Jaap Maat October 24, 2010 at 2:13 pm #

    There’s an entertaining (yet scientifically sound) response on YouTube by the user potholer54debunks to the video of Kent Hovind about carbon dating.

  14. Geno Castagnoli October 25, 2010 at 10:03 am #

    Julie Collins said:
    people just do not know when to quit.
    **********
    Geno comments:
    Indeed. They take what CSE describes as presentations targeted to a 4th grade level and try to compete with those who have studied these matters for dozens of years.
    ******

    Julie says:
    i have been studying ocean topography maps, and i see nothing that says the continents just drifted there with time,
    *****
    Geno comments:
    Except for the inconvenient fact we can actually measure the movement.
    ******

    Julie says:
    the only two continents that appear to “fit like puzzle pieces” are south America and Africa.
    *******
    Geno comments:
    Find a map of Pangea. It will show the fits with other continents.
    ********

    Julie wrote:
    in fact i have always wondered why the earth was told to be 4.5 billion years old and the plate appear to be just starting to move about 200 million years ago…
    *******
    Geno comments:
    Who says they just started to move 200 million years ago? If you do a search for “plate tectonics”, you will have no difficulty finding maps reaching back to 750 million years.
    ********

    Julie claims:
    as far as i can tell solar flares and neutrinos disrupting radioactivity makes radiometric dating of all kinds pointless and useless.
    ********
    Geno points out:
    Solar flares and neutrinos are taking place all the time and would have no net effect on the half-lives of radioisotopes. If there were enough neutrinos flooding the Earth to account for 4.5 billion years of nuclear decay in only 6000 years, the planet would be sterilized by the radiation. (Think neutron bomb or do a quick web search for “neutrino bomb.”)
    *******

    Julie says:
    would theorize that if a oceanic ridge WAS powered by lava that it would make a GIANT mountain range as the lava pushes up through the water.
    *****
    Geno comments:
    We call it the “Mid-Atlantic Ridge”. Interestingly enough, not only is there the expected mountain range, but the Atlantic floor has “stripes” of alternating magnetism, just as one would expect if the Earth’s magnetic field had switched polarity as the ocean floor was forming.
    *****

    Julie says:
    take this evidence as you wish,
    *****
    Geno points out:
    You have presented no evidence, only assertions which were easily refuted by less than a minute of actual research on-line.
    *******

    Julie concludes:
    any “refutation” using wrong, false, made-up or “yadda scientist said”, is not good information. actually put observed or tested data in there. i know it is hard for you evolutionist. but i do not want a bunch of bull as a fake refutation as i know you are known for.
    *******
    Geno closes:
    One of us is putting out a “bunch of bull”. Since links are prohibited, I can’t produce my references directly here. However, anyone who cares can do a web search on each of the points I’ve made and confirm the accuracy of my comments.