Join hosts Eric Hovind and Paul Taylor on this episode of Creation Today, where they answer questions such as what do angels look like, and why would God allow the killing of children. You will leave with a wealth of information, able to better defend the one true living God, the God of the Bible.
Eric Hovind: Why would God order the killing of children? That’s what we’re talking about today on the Creation Today show. I’m one of your hosts, Eric Hovind
Paul Taylor: And I’m Paul Taylor, and on today’s show we’ll be discussing what angels look like.
Eric Hovind: Do you know what angels look like? We’re gonna find out.
Paul Taylor: We’re gonna find out. We’re also gonna be having a little bit more to say about radiometric dating, and we’ll also be discussing can a loving God really punish people?
Eric Hovind: All that on the Creation Today show, where we believe the Bible is literally true, and scientifically accurate in every single detail, and we are not ashamed to say so. Hope you enjoy the show.
Eric Hovind: From the CTN studio in Pensacola, this is the Creation Today show, and we’ve got a lot of great questions to answer for you on today’s show.
Paul Taylor: We have indeed got a lot of great questions, but don’t forget please about the questions that you can have answered at our Proof of God conference, in March 2012. That’s a very very important thing to go to, proof..of..proof of God
Eric Hovind: Proofconference
Paul Taylor: Proof God, proofconference.com
Eric Hovind: There you got it! And that is gonna be a great conference, where we’re gonna teach you how to defend the God that absolutely exists.Ã‚Â Not a God that maybe exists or possibly exists, but the one true God of the Bible. How do you defend HimÃ‚Â to your neighbors, to your friends, to your relatives, that’s what we’re gonna be talking about.
Paul Taylor: That’s right. And who’s gonna be there?
Eric Hovind: Man, we’ve got some incredible speakers. Some absolutely fascinating speakers on the topic, and we’re gonna be there.
Paul Taylor: We are indeed
Eric Hovind: We’ve got Carl Kirby from Reasons for Hope Ministry, he’s gonna be there
Paul Taylor: Yes, and don’t forget we’ve got Mark Spence from Living Waters Ministries
Eric Hovind: And Sye Ten Brueggencate from proofthatgodexists.org all gonna be at this conference in Orlando, Florida, March 16th and 17th of 2012.
Paul Taylor: So don’t miss that.
Eric Hovind: Yeah, you’re gonna wanna register and come see us there. We’re also making some incredible progress on the Genesis series. We are really excited about that. If you haven’t gotten to see that product, you need to go check it out at genesisseries.com, and we just, I can’t wait to see Genesis come alive in a 3D world where you’re watching God create the heavens and the earth. Instead of just reading it, you’re watching it take place. It’s gonna be incredible.
Paul Taylor: Absolutely amazing. That’s genesisseries.com.
Eric Hovind: genesisseries.com is where you can check that out
Paul Taylor: Excellent.
Eric Hovind:Ã‚Â Alright, we’ve got a couple questions. By the way, if you’d like to have Paul and I come and speak, we do live events, Creation Today live event, and we’d be happy to come to your area. Just let us know through email at creationtoday.org. YouÃ‚Â can get our email address there, and we’d love to come speak to your group or church or school, or all of the above about what we love to talk about. God and his word and creation.
Paul Taylor: That’s right, and we’re quite happy to answer questions as we are now
Eric Hovind: Yup
Paul Taylor: So keep your questions coming in. And we’ve got a question here from Daniel. Daniel says, “How do angels actually look?” And he’s got [indiscernible 00:02:52]
Eric Hovind: I know the answer to that
Paul Taylor: You know the answer?
Eric Hovind: With their eyes, duh! [Laughter]
Paul Taylor: Somebody told my daughter, that anytime somebody says “Hey, how did you sleep?” She goes “like this” [laughter] It’sÃ¢â‚¬Â¦I love that. How do they look? With their eyes.
Eric Hovind: Yes. I don’t think that’s what he really meant though.
Paul Taylor: I don’t think so. I think he meant what do they look like?
Eric Hovind: Oh, okay, what do they look likeÃ¢â‚¬Â¦alright
Paul Taylor: Yes, which, you know, I experiment on that by looking in the mirror first thing in the morning [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: I experiment on that by looking at my wife, I’m gonna get a little more brownie points than you
Paul Taylor: Oh you got the brownie points there, yes. “Do cherubs have four faces? Was Lucifer a cherub? If he was a cherub then how can he be pretty?” Daniel says, “ Why are there different kinds of angels?Ã‚Â Who is more dear to God, humans or angels?” Well that’s a huge number of things altogether.
Eric Hovind: That’s quite a few. First of all, Daniel, we talk about creation versus evolution typically, not angelology.
Paul Taylor: That’s right
Eric Hovind: But we’ll do our best on this.
Paul Taylor: We’ll do our best, but there are certain things that we can comment on. We’re not gonna comment on all the strange, wacky stuff to do with angelology, but there’s certain things that we can say.
Eric Hovind: And we take that story from Scripture, straight from God’s word.
Paul Taylor: That’s right. I mean in Genesis 1, we don’t read about what day angels were created, for example.
Eric Hovind: Yeah. We don’t know that.
Paul Taylor: But since they are created beings then we know that they must have been created sometime in those six days
Eric Hovind: Correct
Paul Taylor: Because in those six days God made everything that He made, so it must include angels
Eric Hovind: Had to, yup.
Paul Taylor: Yes, and at the end of day six, God looked at everything that He had made, and it was very good. Which is why satan’s sin could have not occurred before that point, it must have occurred after that point, because everything was very good at that point.
Eric Hovind: So what do angels look like? According to the Bible? I mean, do we actually know what angels look like?
Paul Taylor: Well, we’ve got a couple of places, haven’t we, and there are various different descriptions given. You know, you’ve got the angel of the Lord, that’s destroying the people at the time of King David, who seems to be quite a large creature.
Eric Hovind: It’s interesting that in secular, in the secular world, they try to portray angels a lot of times as these little, the cherubs, these little, you know, the love angels, and the cute little things, and man, when the Bible talks about these things, you’re going whoa, if you saw one of those, you’d be scared to death!
Paul Taylor: That’s right.
Eric Hovind: I mean, powerful, mighty, oh wowÃ¢â‚¬Â¦don’t mess with them.
Paul Taylor: Yeah I was a member of a church in South Wales, where we have the nativity play every year, and the pastor’s wife organized this, and she always made sure all the angels in the scene were blonde haired teenage girls [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: That’s what I’m used to as well, and I just can’t imagine a blond haired teenage girl doing what some of the things these angels did in the Scriptures, that God commanded them to do.
Paul Taylor: I don’t know, you know the angel said to Mary “Don’t be afraid”. I suppose if you see certain blond haired teenage girls, you would be afraid [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: But that’s getting a little bit off track
Paul Taylor: It is, but, was Lucifer a cherub, and I think this is probably the important point that we can address, can’t we, because, now, we can’t be totally dogmatic on this, but we know that I think what’s being referred to here is Ezekiel chapter 28, where
Eric Hovind: And we should’ve mentioned it, some people don’t believe that this is talking about Lucifer
Paul Taylor: Absolutely, I think it’s important
Eric Hovind: In Ezekiel chapter 28
Paul Taylor: It’s important to mention that, because there are different views.
Eric Hovind: Yeah.
Paul Taylor: I guess I’m probably of the opinion that it is
Eric Hovind: Yeah I am as well
Paul Taylor: But
Eric Hovind: This is where is talks about Lucifer in the garden, and how every precious stone
Paul Taylor: But in fact, the word “Lucifer” is not mentioned in Ezekiel 28. Lucifer’s mentioned in Isaiah 14, a similar passage. But in Ezekiel 28 it’s talking about the king of Tyre, and saying “YouÃ‚Â wereÃ‚Â the seal of perfection,Ã‚Â Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.Ã‚Â You were in Eden, the garden of God;Ã‚Â Every precious stoneÃ‚Â wasÃ‚Â your coveringÃ¢â‚¬Â¦” And it goes through a list of stones, saying “you were an anointed guardian cherub’, and it says, “ you were blameless in your ways from the day you were created til unrighteousness was found in you.” And I think that’s really, it sort of indicates we’re talking about an angelic being there of some sort, and being therefore who would be very beautiful. Extremely beautiful. A lot of people have this image, don’t they, of satan the devil, as being something ugly
Eric Hovind: Yeah, with the horns, the red guy, yeah
Paul Taylor: Yeah
Eric Hovind: Probably not accurate, when it describes him as an angel of light, and a beingÃ‚Â that people would be attracted to.
Paul Taylor: Yes, andÃ‚Â of course in the New Testament we read, don’t we, that satan can appear as an angel of light. And you know every false religion that has been, has been created by satan. OnlyÃ‚Â one true religion
Eric Hovind: That’s right
Paul Taylor: Which is the worship of God, but there have been so many counterfeit religions produced and they seem appealing at times. They seem very appealing, because satan is a figure of beauty, who will, it says almost deceive the very elect if that were possible
Eric Hovind: Yeah, and he’ll appealÃ‚Â to different things. He’ll appeal to things like your knowledge, or your intellect, or your emotions, and he’s very good, he’s had a lot of practice at fooling people.
Paul Taylor: Yes, so we can’t really fully answer the question about what a cherub looks like. Some people get the wrong idea about, I think people sometimes think about theÃ‚Â statue of Eros in London that people often refer to as a cherub, cause of it’s sort of pretty baby figure with wings. That’s not really what
Eric Hovind: Probably not quite right, that’s exactly right
Paul Taylor: No, no. We’re talking about
Eric Hovind: Do cherubs have four faces then?
Paul Taylor: Well, that’s again in Ezekiel, isn’t it?
Eric Hovind: Correct. Where it talks about what are the… I don’t remember the four faces off the top of my head, but it talks about them having the face of a lamb, a lion, a cheetah, and, am I right on that, or am I thinking Revelation?
Paul Taylor: No, well, both, in fact, except in Revelation we look at four beasts
Eric Hovind: Oh, the four beasts, okay
Paul Taylor: I can’t remember the four animals, that’s why I’m looking blankly at you
Eric Hovind: Hey, Google it!
Paul Taylor: But it’s the same animals, four faces in Ezekiel, four actual creatures in Revelation. Presumably talking about the same sort of thing.
Eric Hovind: So, and, why are there different kinds of angels, then?
Paul Taylor: Well, the real answer to that is we don’t actually know why. God is a God of variety.
Eric Hovind: Look around the world, look around at the different kinds of people, and the different kinds of animals and plants. There is a lot of variety out there.
Paul Taylor: That’s right, but it’s very quick to answer who is more dear, it’s humans who are more dear to God than angels, and you’ll find out more after this break.
Paul Taylor: Welcome back, you’re watching Creation Today, with me Paul Taylor with Eric Hovind. And we were talking about angels, and perhaps we just rushed at the end there. We were saying, because part of the question that Daniel asked was “Who’s more dear to God, is it angels, or is it humans?”
Eric Hovind: And the Bible does say God created us a little lower than the angels, but it talks about it speaks of how the angels almost envy our position with God. We are made to give God more glory than all the angels. And I love the fact that, I love it when people point this out, we are made with the ability to give God the most glory.
Paul Taylor: Yes.
Eric Hovind: And we do that when we repent of sins and when we trust in Christ. God can get no greater glory, no greater joy, than when we do that. For Him, for our Creator.
Paul Taylor: Yes, and of course there’s no salvation for the fallen angels. There’s no repentance for the fallen angels. They’re all separately created so there’s nothing, no one who can represent them. It’s we who are represented, we’re represented first in the Garden by Adam, who failed on our behalf, and that’s why sin’s imputed to us, and the represented again by the second Adam, the last Adam, Jesus Christ. And therefore can have our salvation. Things that angels long to look into, we read in Scripture. So that tells us something about the importance of human beings.
Eric Hovind: Gets a little bit into our limited knowledge of angelology. So, we’ll move onto another question now.
Paul Taylor: I think so, we’ll go onto a perhaps a more traditionally creationist type of question here
Eric Hovind: Yes
Paul Taylor: It’s from Roman. And Roman says, “I’ve got a question about radioisotopic method of dating. Some physicists say carbon 14 method is never used for dating millions or billions years age of our planet. They speak of potassium, [indiscernible 00:10:50] rubidium, uranium, lead, and other methods of dating.Ã‚Â What can you say about these methods, could these arguments be refuted?”
Eric Hovind: The dating method that I used most was just be a good friend, hand out, have a good time, and that’s what, that worked for me. I got, my wife and I get along great now, because we developed a friendship first. Some worry about these other dating methods, but that one worked well for me.
Paul Taylor: Yeah, that might not be quite the dating methods he had in mind [Laughter].
Eric Hovind: Alright, he’s talking about radioactive carbon 14 dating, which we hear all the time as evidence against creation, and for, against creation and for evolution, right?
Paul Taylor: Yes, that people will have done radiometric dating perhaps using a uranium lead method, and found out that the particular rock might be , say, 1.5. billion years old, and I think there’s some misunderstanding about this sometimes and creationists sometimes a little bit loosen their language. Now I’ve heard people sometimes say, well, that’s because the radiometric dating method is not accurate.Ã‚Â And that’s not really the case,Ã‚Â we’re not arguing that they’re not accurate, we’re arguing that they’re plain wrong actually. It’s a bit more serious.
Eric Hovind: Yeah [Laughter], the measurements that they do on, the science that they do on the actual fossil, or rock, or whatever they’re looking at, is very good.
Paul Taylor: Yeah, and we should explain as well that generally speaking it’s not, with some rare archaic exceptions, it’s not possible to do radiometric dating anyway on fossils, cause fossils by definition will be found in sedimentary rock. Radiometric dating is done on igneous rocks, the ones that have come out of volcanoes, so you can and estimate how old that rock is. So basically, what you’ve got is you’ve got a rock, say, a lump of granite, and it’s got in it uranium and it’s got lead. Okay, and , lead is one of the products of the radioactive decay of uranium. SoÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
Eric Hovind: As uranium decays it turns into lead
Paul Taylor: It turns into lead, yes. So what they are going to do is they’re gonna take that rock, and they’re gonna measure how much uranium is in the rock and how much lead is in the rock. There’s no dating it, they don’t knock the rock open and find the date down the middle of it. [Laugher] You know, when I was lad, we used to go to the seaside town in northwest of England called Black Pool. And we used to get seaside rock there, I don’t know that’s something that you have here, it’s a long stick of sweet sugary candy, very bad for the teeth. But you broke it open, and inside was written the word Black Pool all the way through the stick of rock.Ã‚Â And people often think that somehow you can break open a piece of granite and there’s a date stamped through the middle of a rock. [Laughter]. It’s not true. What they measure is the amount of uranium, and the amount of lead. And they do that very very accurately indeed.
Eric Hovind: The only thing it says inside, by the way, is made in Taiwan. That’s pretty much the only thing you’ll find in there. [Laughter]
Paul Taylor: That’s great. But the point is, then, that they have to use those measurements to calculate an age.
Eric Hovind: Correct. Here’s where the assumptions start coming in.
Paul Taylor: Yes.
Eric Hovind: So the amount that they’re measuring, nothing wrong with that. Most likely, they’re getting those right.
Paul Taylor: They, yes, absolutely they’re getting it absolutely very very accurate indeed, but in order to calculate the age of the rock, they have to make three assumptions. Frist, we said that lead comes from uranium.
Eric Hovind: Correct.
Paul Taylor: So they have to know how much of the lead came from the uranium.
Eric Hovind: They’re assuming all of it
Paul Taylor: Yes
Eric Hovind: Came from the uranium
Paul Taylor: That when the rock was originally formed, there was no lead in it at all. How do they know that? If they believe that rock is millons of years old, how do they know?
Eric Hovind: That’s true
Paul Taylor: They’d have had to go back in a time machine and see the rock form.
Eric Hovind: And that’s only been done a couple of times. And that was in a movie, soÃ¢â‚¬Â¦That doesn’t count. [Laughter]
Paul Taylor: Second assumption. They’ve got to assume that none of that lead got there by any other means. You know, none of it was washed in by water or washed away by water
Eric Hovind: So basically that it’s not contaminated.
Paul Taylor: Yeah. Now of course lead compounds are reasonably soluble. So the idea that a rock would sit there for millions of years without
Eric Hovind: The lead being washed out even yeah
Paul Taylor: Is really very very unlikely
Eric Hovind: Okay
Paul Taylor: The third assumption is that the rate of change of uranium to lead, what’s called the half-life of the uranium, has never changed. And what’s interesting is that even that assumption today has been challenged by many creation scientists
Eric Hovind: Cause I’m wondering what all could affect the actual change rate? Is it governed by location, things that, would affect it, like contamination, like water, like where it’s located, like heat, pressure?
Paul Taylor: Well that wouldn’t necessarily change the radioactive rate, the half-life of the rock, but we do know two things that would change the half-life, and you see, the whole point is that if the half-life is never changed, that’s what we call a uniformitarian principle, it’s never changed. Which of course we read about 2.Peter chapter 3,
Eric Hovind: Right
Paul Taylor: where we read that peopÃ¢â‚¬Â¦the scoffers who say all things continuously were from the creation of the world. But of course there are two things
Eric Hovind: Yeah I’m wondering what those two things are, what do the two things lookÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
Paul Taylor: Two things that they deliberately forget. They’re dumb on purpose. [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: That’s what the Bible says about the scoffers.
Paul Taylor: They forget that God created the world, and they forget that God flooded the world. And, you know,Ã‚Â some of the writers who’ve been studying this and researching this have said that that is the two occasions on which the half-life [indiscernible 00:16:00] could have altered.
Eric Hovind: Wow.
Paul Taylor: You, there’s a book called Thousands not Billions, written by Don DeYoung, which is actually, it’s quite a tricky book to follow, but this is a simplified version believe it or not of another book called the Radioactivity and the Age of the Earth
Eric Hovind: The rate project ICR did, they did a great job with that
Paul Taylor: One of the things they did was measure the age of crystals in granite by two different methods. One by the radiometric method, where they got the 1.5 billion years, and secondly by another reliable method using helium diffusion, which gave an age of about 4000 years.
Eric Hovind: Whoa! Two totally different ages from the same rock.
Paul Taylor: From the same rock, but also from the same radioactive process. So for both to be correct, the only way they could both be correct is that one of the assumptions is wrong, and the only assumption that could be wrong, isÃ‚Â that the half-life has never changed.
Eric Hovind: Whoa!
Paul Taylor: So in other words the half-life must have changed.
Eric Hovind: So the rate project really exposed a lot of this, and I’m really glad that they did that. By the way, if you haven’t checked out ICR, that’s the Institute for Creation Research, now located in Dallas Texas. Correct?
Paul Taylor: That’s correct, yeah.
Eric Hovind: And they do, they’ve got some scientists on board, they do some incredible work. So I’d encourage you to check them out, and get some of their resources to help you better understand the scientific things that affect creation.
Paul Taylor: That’s right. But of course Thousands not Billions you can get from creationstore.org
Eric Hovind: You could get that from Creation Store, or their website, but we love it when you get it from the creationstore.org
Paul Taylor: Well, we’re gonna have another question coming up, right after this break.
Eric Hovind: Yeah, why would God allow the killing of children? Let’s talk about that after this.
Eric Hovind: You’re watching Creation Today with Eric Hovind and Paul Taylor, andÃ‚Â I love some of these questions we’ve been talking about. Carbon dating, what’s the truth about that? The different dating methods.Ã‚Â What about angels? And I really wanna get to here in just a second “why would God allow the killing of children?” That is involved in one of the questions we have. In the last segment we were talking about how do you know how old the earth is, a great resource, if you wanna get that, isÃ‚Â the Young Earth by John Morris. Of course Henry Morris is the grandfather of the creation movement, and his son John Morris has taken over Institute for Creation Research, which we were just discussing. So you really ought to check out his book on the age of the earth, the Young Earth by John Morris. A really good resource there.
Paul Taylor: Well worth getting hold of. Well, we’ve got another question here and it’s quite a lengthy one, and I’ve actually edited this down from the email. But Jennifer asks, well she says this, “while I do believe Jesus rose from the dead, and I have no problem with the New Testament, I do struggle to understand the Old Testament sometimes. I cannot believe in the early books of the Old Testament. The later books are fine, easier to comprehend. I do not think I’ll go to hell for not believing in a literal meaning of Genesis, I giveÃ‚Â my sins to Jesus every day, and I know that’s enough. When I preach to unbelievers, I start with the resurrection, not Genesis. My faith starts with Jesus and ends with Jesus. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe there are lessons to be learned from the parables in the early Old Testament, I just cannot bring myself to believe in a God who would constitute people being mauled by bears or the killing of children.”
Eric Hovind: Wow, did God really allow the killing of children?Ã‚Â And that is something that people use regularly, not just people claiming to be Christians, saying hold it, can God do that. But from theÃ‚Â evolutionary-atheistic side, the unbeliever’s side, saying I’m not gonna believe in a God that would allow the killing of children. That’s not a God I wanna believe in.
Paul Taylor: Yes, and it’s quite a serious thing, there’s a huge number of things mentioned in this email. But it basically boils down to I don’t want to believe in Genesis, we should just talk about Jesus.
Eric Hovind: Yeah.
Paul Taylor: And also then there’s the bringing in of the idea that the Old Testament is talking about an angry God who does a lot of killing, whereas the New Testament is all about a loving God.
Eric Hovind: I hear that all the time. You know the God of the Old Testament is different from the God of the New Testament, right? Oh look at it, read, it’s different. It’s the same God, the God of the Old Testament, the God of the New Testament, the same God. You think that allowing some children to be mauled by a bear, because I believe they were talking about, who was that, Elijah the prophet?
Paul Taylor: It’s Elisha, isn’t it?
Eric Hovind: Elisha
Paul Taylor: Yeah
Eric Hovind: His bald head and so he allowed a she bear to come out and kill these children.
Paul Taylor: Yeah
Eric Hovind: People say wow I’m not gonna believe in a God that would allow that. Well you can believe in whatever God you want but I would encourage you to believe in the God of the Bible, because He’s the only God that exists! Any other God is a figment of your imagination and you’re breaking commandments number two, you’re creating a god to suit your own needs, to suit yourself.
Paul Taylor: That’s right. You know I’m from Britain, as you may have [indiscernible 00:20:38]
Eric Hovind: Okay, I got that
Paul Taylor: I could really impress you, couldn’t I, by telling you that I met the Queen.
Eric Hovind: Ooh, that would be impressive.
Paul Taylor: Yeah and that’s the first thing I said, you know, I met the Queen, theÃ‚Â Queen of England.Ã‚Â And she’s tall and blond, and very young.
Eric Hovind: I would say hold it! I don’t think you met the Queen of England. You might have met a Queen of something, but it wasn’t of England.
Paul Taylor: Yeah, exactly. Because the description that I gave is not the description you know to be correct. So if I’m describing someone, doesn’t matter what I call that person, it can’t be the real person, if the description’s wrong. Now in the same way if someone says well, my God is like this, I’m gonna describe what my God’s like, and their description of God is different from the description of God that we have in the Bible, then it’sÃ‚Â a different God, I’m sorry.
Eric Hovind: And that is a problem I see over and over and over, as we travel to churches, I see people creating a God to suit themselves. They say I don’t wanna believe in a jealous God, I wanna believe in a God that is just love. I don’t wanna believe in a God that would judge me for my sins, I wanna believe in a God that will just forgive me no matter what.
Paul Taylor: Right.
Ã‚Â Eric Hovind: And I’m going look, it’s time we stop and we check out the God of the Bible. Stop believing in a God that you want to exist, and believe in the God that actually exists.
Paul Taylor: Now presumably when we’re talking about the killing of children, we’re talking about where God has commanded whole nations to be wiped out. And you know the, one example of thatÃ‚Â would be the Amalekites, when God said that the Amalekites must be wiped out. And at first sight, if you take that out of context, that sounds very cruel. Sounds, now what we’re reading about here, we’re reading about the complete genocide of a people. That’s the whole point is you’ve got to read into it, and read the reasons behind it, the background.
Eric Hovind: When you study that story out, and this is just fascinating, if God waits too long to serve justice, people get mad. If he gives justice right away, people get mad. They just wanna be mad at God. God had given the Amalekites a long period of time, hundreds of years
Paul Taylor: A couple of hundred years, yes
Eric Hovind: To repent, and to turn to Him and to stop worshiping idols and just stop treating their people and their children and their animals certain ways, and they didn’t. And so God judged them. And that is the problem that we see. People are judging God. When He is where we get justice in the first place.
Paul Taylor: There is no case where God has ordered the killing of people like that where there hasn’t been a warning and a command to repent. You know there was the warning of the destruction in Niniveh, but there was actually repentance there.
Eric Hovind: Which Jonah wasn’t happy about. He said I don’t want them to repent God, I want you to destroy them because He knew how wicked and how evil they were.
Paul Taylor: There was also the long term warning of judgment on the Canaanites, on the Moabites, and what’s interesting in both those cases is we know of people who were saved out of those, all other peoples were killed. You know there’s Rahab, at the battle of Jericho was saved because of her faith, there’s Ruth saved out of the Moabites because of her faith, when she says your God will be my God, you people will be my people. It’s repentance and faith, and it’s always salvation, so God is both just and merciful. The two qualities are seen there throughout the Old Testament. There’s the mercy of God in giving the warning, but that the mercy will not last forever, there is justice as well. What would we think of a God who says oh, it doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter, just let it go andÃ‚Â Hitler can be in heaven, and it doesn’t matter, everything [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: It doesn’t work, it’s not the God I wanna serve. The God I serve is a just God. Now her questions here, Jennifer says “I don’t think I’ll go to hell for not believing in a literal meaning of Genesis.” Guess what? I think you’re probably right, I don’t think that’s what’s necessary to go to Heaven. What’s necessary to go to heaven is that you repent of sins, and that you trust in Christ. That is what’s necessary to go to Heaven. But, just so you know, you’re talking a lot about Jesus. Jesus talks about a literal Adam and a literal Eve. He says in Matthew 19:4 “Have you not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female?” So if we’re just going with what Jesus teaches, well He taught that Genesis was real, that it was literal, that it was historical. He wasn’t referring to figments of His own imagination, or made up characters, He was referring to the literal Adam and the literal Eve.
Paul Taylor: You know with respect we have to ask you Jennifer, and people who have the same views and say we should talk about Jesus, we shouldn’t be talking about Genesis. We have to with respect say, do you actually believe the words of Jesus, or not?
Eric Hovind: Wow, that’s what it comes down to.Ã‚Â What are you gonna believe in? Your ideas, your made up god, or the God of the Bible that says this is my Word, and you should obey it. That’s really what it comes down to.
Paul Taylor: That’s exactly what is comes down to.
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