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Why would anyone want to brainwash students?

I’m often asked, “Why would textbook authors teach lies just to get someone to believe in the theory of evolution,” or some other version of the question. There may be many answers, but let me give you just a few that I’ve thought of.

  1. Some people believe in evolution and teach it to others because that is all they have ever been taught. They simply do not know any better. They may honestly not know that these things have been proven wrong years ago. They simply may not be up to date on the research. If that is the case, we can fix that. They simply need to study the truth and stop teaching lies. If it happens that there is nothing left to support the evolution theory, well, I’m sorry—that’s just the way good science works. If someone has a theory, but no supporting evidence, that’s their problem—not yours or mine.
  2. Some people teach the evolution theory because their job depends upon it. They may write things in books or teach things to students because they are required to. The fact that what they’re teaching is wrong may or may not bother them. They think they are obligated to teach these lies and brainwash you because that’s what they have been hired to do. In many instances, Hitler’s soldiers executing the Jews in the concentration camps felt the same way about their job.
  3. Some people hope there is no Creator because that may affect their lifestyle (see Rom 1:28). These people are desperately trying to get others to believe in the theory of evolution because they apparently think if everybody believes, then it will become true and they can avoid accountability to the Creator.
  4. There may be some who present lies in the textbooks because of their social/political agenda. Many people who study this thoroughly understand that the evolution theory is the essential foundation for communism, socialism, Nazism, and Marxism. We cover much more on this topic in “The Dangers of Evolution.”
  5. Lastly, some people may be presenting lies in textbooks or classrooms simply because they have too much pride to admit they are wrong. If someone has been teaching something for years and years and realizes they are wrong, in their mind it may be easier to continue teaching this than to admit they taught something wrong for many years.

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  1. Mark Grobner November 15, 2010 at 8:12 am #

    You forgot reason number 6, evolution is taught because it is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence and over 150 years of scientific studies that have yet to refute the theory of evolution. We teach facts in school, not conjectures or personal opinions, hence, evolution is taught as the origin of species and an explanation of the diversity of life on Earth.

  2. David Ray November 15, 2010 at 10:17 am #

    Interesting. If one does a search and replace, you can come to similar conclusions the other way round.

    1. Some people believe in CREATION and teach it to others because that is all they have ever been taught. They simply do not know any better. They may honestly not know that these things have been proven wrong years ago. They simply may not be up to date on the research. If that is the case, we can fix that. They simply need to study the EVIDENCE and stop teaching lies. If it happens that there is nothing left to support CREATION, well, I’m sorry—that’s just the way good science works. If someone has a theory, but no supporting evidence, that’s their problem—not yours or mine.

    2. Some people teach the CREATION theory because their job depends upon it. They may write things in books or teach things to students because they are required to. The fact that what they’re teaching is wrong may or may not bother them. They think they are obligated to teach these lies and brainwash you because that’s what they have been hired to do. In many instances, Hitler’s soldiers executing the Jews in the concentration camps felt the same way about their job.

    4. There may be some who present lies in the ONLINE SEMINARS/WEBSITES because of their social/political agenda. Many people who study this thoroughly understand that the CREATION theory is the essential foundation for THEIR OWN AGENDAS.

    5. Lastly, some people may be presenting lies in ONLINE SEMINARS/WEBSITES simply because they have too much pride to admit they are wrong. If someone has been teaching something for years and years and realizes they are wrong, in their mind it may be easier to continue teaching this than to admit they taught something wrong for many years.

  3. mitchell hup November 15, 2010 at 10:40 am #

    ” evolution is taught because it is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence”

    lol

  4. James Earl November 15, 2010 at 10:48 am #

    Reason number 6… what are you kidding? Supported, yeah, by a lot of vivid imaginations. All true science makes a joke of the “theory” of evolution. You seriously have to have more faith to believe in evolution than you do in the Bible. I believe the main reason people believe in evolution is because they’re afraid to admit that there is a God and that He owns this world and He’s coming to judge those who live on it. And, if we have not been following His rules then there is only one option… eternal death! That’s something evolutionists just don’t want to think about, so they concocted this ludicrous theory which doesn’t have the slightest bit of evidence just to avoid the God question.

    Jesus IS coming soon! Give your life to Him and eternal life awaits, why not give it a chance?

  5. Joshua Powell November 15, 2010 at 10:49 am #

    What a discovery! Math has evolved! Now 1 = 6 !

  6. Jeff Brace November 15, 2010 at 11:20 am #

    Yep, something from nothing. Very convincing. Not!

  7. Geno Castagnoli November 15, 2010 at 11:38 am #

    Kent Hovinnd wrote:
    4.There may be some who present lies in the textbooks because of their social/political agenda.
    *******
    Geno comments:
    Comming from a YEC, that’s actually funny. Go to any mainstream scientific website and try to find anything at all about social or political agendas.

    Go to any creationist ministry website and do the same thing. Even go to the ID websites and look around for signs they have social/political agenda. (Hint: Start with a search for “Wedge Document.”

    One side definately has a “social/political agenda” …. and it isn’t the mainstream scientific bunch.

  8. Nivio Fuchini November 15, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    just a quick answer to Mark Grobner, you mentioned that evolution is suported by an overwhelming amount of evidence ?
    well with only 1 evidence you can get 250 thousand dollars in this very website.
    What are you waiting for ?? lol

  9. John Bebbington November 15, 2010 at 12:49 pm #

    “They simply may not be up to date on the research. If that is the case, we can fix that.”

    I think that Kent must live in an alternate universe to me. When was he ever up to date with research? YECists don’t do research so there is nothing to be up to date with. If he is referring to mainstream science then what particular line of research has recently been published which disproves the ToE?

    “They simply need to study the truth and stop teaching lies.”

    Ah, lies. How about someone going to the North Greenland ice core project, being shown round the research laboratory where the technology was explained to him in detail and then travelling six hundred miles south to interview a person who has no knowledge whatsoever of ice core research to ask him an irrelevant question about annual snowfall? It is the equivalent of asking a Mancunian about rainfall in Manchester to prove your theory that the Sahara Desert is a swamp.

    And that’s what Kent did in a desperate and transparent attempt to traduce the honest, hard and diligent work of the ice-core researchers. Is he immune to personal shame?

    And what is that book that Eric is thrusting forward top left? It’s the so-called “Evidence Bible”. Down-loading it I turned to page 163 where I found an article by a certain “Richard M. Fales, Ph.D. “. If Mr Fales has even a first degree, let alone a third one, I’ll be the first to apologise. In the meantime, and while I wait for eternity to pass, Eric, please would you explain why a man would deliberately lie about his qualifications even to the extent to having the lie published in, of all things, a bible.

  10. Jeff Brace November 15, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    Geno :

    Go to any science textbook in schools and you will see plenty of social and political agendas along with a laundry list of bad science that has been disproven years ago.

  11. John Bebbington November 15, 2010 at 1:55 pm #

    James Earl wrote:

    “Reason number 6… what are you kidding? Supported, yeah, by a lot of vivid imaginations. ”

    No – supported by the evidences of our supposedly God-given senses. We leave imagination out of science except in the sense of hypothesising out of which our theories are born. I suspect, James, that you did not receive the benefit of a science education above the age of 13 nor have ever read a single book on the evidences for evolution.

    “You seriously have to have more faith to believe in evolution than you do in the Bible.”

    I, for one, find it easier to believe in the slow accumulation of chemical complexity than to believe that a man in nothing but a white sheet walked up a mountain and then shot off into space and will shortly, after going missing for some 2,000 years, return to earth to make Kent Hovind Ph.D. Prince of Pensacola, King of Kansas and Lord of Lousiana for exactly 1,000 years.

    “I believe the main reason people believe in evolution is because they’re afraid to admit that there is a God…”

    Then you will have to explain the large number of sincere, evangelical, educated Christians who believe in the reality of biological evolution.

    “And, if we have not been following His rules then there is only one option… eternal death! That’s something evolutionists just don’t want to think about,..”

    I think about eternal death constantly but as I don’t concern myself about where I was in the eternity before I was born (because I wasn’t anywhere) I don’t worrit about the nowhere you and I’ll be after we’ve both died. However, if you are unable to accept the reality of your future oblivion (or worse) I’m quite happy that you find solace in your contrived fairy story. Suggesting that evolution was invented to take our minds off inevitable death (a fact of life without which, ironically, evolution could not occur) is like saying that Las Vegas was invented to avoid the reality of taxes.

    “..so they concocted this ludicrous theory which doesn’t have the slightest bit of evidence just to avoid the God question.”

    I fail to understand why you think that God could not create a universe which has developed somewhat in the manner which science has discovered or that he would create a universe in a manner which seems to deny the two differing creation stories in Genesis.

    “Jesus IS coming soon! Give your life to Him and eternal life awaits, why not give it a chance?”

    Is your inferiority complex based upon the false belief that you were created merely from the dust of the earth? We evolutionists believe we are created from star stuff and that’s as close to eternal life any of us will achieve. Real magic.

  12. Michael Fisher November 15, 2010 at 3:18 pm #

    Most teach evolution because it has answers to such questions as where did all the currently LIVING plants come from? How did they get back to where they’re found today? Hawaii has HUNDREDS of plant species found in Hawaii — and nowhere else — how did they get there? Why are there no fossil Marsupials in Europe or Asia or Africa? Why were there no placental animals in Australia/New Zealand until humans arrived? Why do monkeys in South America have prehensile tails while those in Africa do not? Why Sequoia trees grow only in California?

    Only evolution has satisfactory answers to those questions which accord with all the physical evidence.

  13. David Ray November 15, 2010 at 3:48 pm #

    I thought this was interesting. In Kent’s recent article, THE DOCTRINE OF CREATION: Denominations Skew the Truth, he writes:

    “Recently, this denomination [Assemblies of God] changed its position on creation. During Session 8 this year, delegates revised ‘The Doctrine of Creation,’ opening the door to the consideration of scientific evidence. This move has negated their 1977 statement: ‘Assemblies of God believers hold that the Genesis account should be taken literally.’”

    But wait, I thought evolution wasn’t scientific and that creation was. Which is it? If evolution isn’t scientific, then why is this a problem. Alternatively, if creation IS scientific, why is this a problem? I think you committed a classical Freudian slip, Kent.

    Now, if evolution is indeed science as you implied in your statement above, is it brainwashing to inform students of the scientific evidence?

  14. Jack Napper November 15, 2010 at 5:39 pm #


    mitchell hup November 15th at 10:40 am

    ” evolution is taught because it is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence”

    lol

    Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

    James Earl November 15th at 10:48 am

    Reason number 6… what are you kidding? Supported, yeah, by a lot of vivid imaginations. All true science makes a joke of the “theory” of evolution.

    True science such as? Evolutionary theory is supported by a myriad of scientific disciplines. Perhaps you would like to discuss this TRUE SCIENCE or would you rather feign ignorance with simplistic answers like “uh DNA” or “duh, genetics”? Perhaps you could explain how these things ‘make a joke out of the theory’. If more of these ‘true scientists’ speny more time proving things rather than using garbage arguments to disprove things they don’t like you might be taken seriously for two seconds.

    That’s something evolutionists just don’t want to think about, so they concocted this ludicrous theory which doesn’t have the slightest bit of evidence just to avoid the God question.

    Yep, there is no evidence. That’s why all these Creationist groups keep examining it. What is the Discovery Institute pretending to research, cherry picking and then supporting but with an asterisk? Why does Eric trial so desperately to claim is nothing more than bias?


    Joshua Powell November 15th at 10:49 am

    What a discovery! Math has evolved! Now 1 = 6 !

    FACEPALM


    Jeff Brace November 15th at 11:20 am

    Yep, something from nothing. Very convincing. Not!

    What does this have to do with Evolutionary Theory? What does this have to do with abiogenesis? What does this have to do with the rapid expansion of space-time/Big Bang? Please try to answer with proving beyond a doubt that you know nothing about the fundamental principles of any of these.

  15. Don Carr November 15, 2010 at 7:22 pm #

    Why would anyone want to brainwash students?

    Because they will one day pay taxes to Caesar and the fallen gods.

    Otherwise we must be remade spiritually to get out of this mess.

  16. Truth_Seeker H November 16, 2010 at 6:23 am #

    Why would anyone want to brainwash students?

    6 . The answer is as easy as this: (1Pe 5:8-9) “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
    Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

    (Jhn 8:44)…….When lucifer speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    lucifer hates Humans and wants to destroy all of Us by any means possible.

  17. John Bebbington November 16, 2010 at 8:40 am #

    Truth_Seeker said:

    “lucifer hates Humans and wants to destroy all of Us by any means possible.”

    Do stay on topic. The discussion was about evolution and why it is taught. It was not about your fear of incorporeal bogeymen under the bed.

  18. Jeff Brace November 16, 2010 at 9:10 am #

    Jack said: What does this have to do with Evolutionary Theory? What does this have to do with abiogenesis? What does this have to do with the rapid expansion of space-time/Big Bang? Please try to answer with proving beyond a doubt that you know nothing about the fundamental principles of any of these.

    There is not a single piece of evidence to prove the big bang. No evidence of evolution, perhaps you can show me where a cat turned into an elephant. Was the topic about abiogenesis? Nope. As with all your posts, a stretch of the imagination.

    I have all the answers I need to prove God created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days. I can’t help that you cannot see that.

  19. Geno Castagnoli November 16, 2010 at 9:22 am #

    Nivio Fuchini wrote:
    well with only 1 evidence you can get 250 thousand dollars in this very website.
    What are you waiting for ?? lol
    #####
    Geno comments:
    Well, let’s see…..
    1) Evidence the $250,000 is actually available.
    2) A fair and level playing field.

    Tell ya what, though…. I’ll repeat my offer based on Hovind’s:

    I will offer ONE MILLION DOLLARS to anyone who proves a six day creation.
    1) This is a legitimate offer as I have a friend with the money and it will be paid out immediatly when the proof is presented.
    2) The judges are experts with PhD’s. They will review the evidence objectively and render their opinions. However, I will not identify them because they are very busy and don’t want to be bothered by cranks.
    3) If a legitimate submission is offered, I will forward it to the judges for their consideration.

    How about it, Nivio? Want to take me up on my offer? After all it dwarfs Hovinds.

  20. David Rose November 16, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    Send your kids to a secular school and they will be taught secular beliefs. Is evolution a reality or belief? By scientific standards it is a belief until it is a law. Because the evidence is not present to make it a law, those that believe in it believe it by faith. By the look of this blog a lot of people are going to be angry at me for saying this. But don’t get angry. Just tell me where you think I am wrong and educate me. If evolution were a law you could justify teaching it as a law. But it is only a theory so we should stop teaching it as a law.

  21. Don Carr November 16, 2010 at 2:25 pm #

    Talking about the LUCIFURIAN BOOGEYMAN is on topic – for a change. It controls the churches and governments (all of them) and sends congregations on wild goose chases. Hasn’t anyone wondered why the churches know so little? Why they have so very little spiritual power? All the billions and trillions spent – and nothing… like it is meant to be that way…

    Evolution theory is taught to brainwash us into believing that we are the physical bodies we inhabit. Christ showed us the WAY to activate our higher spirit bodies, and reassemble our 3 parts – to be like him. Meanwhile the churches try to brainwash us into believing that Jesus (Yeshua, YHSWH) was God in the flesh and had powers that did not apply to us.

    Chasing after a 6 day literal creation is a wild goose chase fostered by corrupted churches. Just read the New Testament to see the corruption Christ encountered in the churches. Does anyone seriously think anything has changed? Google “Eric Jon Phelps” and it gets worse.

    And do you answer to “Hey you?” Maybe, maybe not. The churches have gone to a great extent to remove YHWH’s name from the bible. Christ knew his Father’s name, and used it. Shouldn’t we be as polite.

  22. Ricky R November 16, 2010 at 5:39 pm #

    I beleive in evolution because I don’t see any scientific proof of creation.

    Science is truth,knowledge. And you say creation is the truth. So shouldn’t you be able to use the scientific method to scientifically prove creation true?

    —If I am aloud to make a suggestion… I see you commonly talk about the word views of an atheist(evolution) and Christian(creation). It would be extremely interesting to hear about why other views are “wrong”. Such as Taoism. Buddhism, Pagan,Hinduism, Muslim, Jewish, etc… I would highly enjoy you telling me(or others) why beliefs such as Taoism , Paganism,and Buddhism are so “wrong.”

  23. Carl M November 16, 2010 at 7:21 pm #

    @ Nivio Fuchini

    … you mentioned that evolution is suported by an overwhelming amount of evidence ?
    well with only 1 evidence you can get 250 thousand dollars in this very website.

    No you can’t. The goal is to convince Kent Hovind personally of a Universal Negative about the supernatural using emprical evidence.

    Quote: “Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the process of evolution (option 3 above, under “known options”) is the only possible way the observed phenomena could have come into existence. Only empirical evidence is acceptable.”

    Nothing can meet those criteria.

  24. Carl M November 16, 2010 at 7:27 pm #

    @ Jeff Brace

    No evidence of evolution, perhaps you can show me where a cat turned into an elephant.

    I am often puzzled why people make up ludicrous scenarios (see above) for evolution theory. Is it because they don’t know the subject or are they inventing things to make denial easier? Very puzzling.

  25. Geno Castagnoli November 16, 2010 at 9:34 pm #

    Jeff Brace said:
    Go to any science textbook in schools and you will see plenty of social and political agendas along with a laundry list of bad science that has been disproven years ago.
    ######
    Geno replies:
    I’m a high school science teacher with 10 years experience. In my classes we use textbooks published by HRW. The books are: “Physical Science”; “Modern Chemistry” and, when I taught biology, “Modern Biology.”

    Please review these textbooks and show me the social and political agendas as well as the “bad science.” I will expect page numbers.

    Or, are you simply blowing smoke …. um…. somewhere?

  26. Melanie Fly November 16, 2010 at 10:07 pm #

    You are asking people to give you evidence, but do not believe. There are miracles that happen today but people still look for ways to explain it logically or brush it off. The key is that you have to have some faith in God, in order to see. Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
    Why not start with the Bible first.
    For those who refused to believe, Jesus said no sign will be given accept the sign of Jonah, as Jesus spent 3 days in the earth, so did Jonah spend 3 days in the belly of a fish.

    It takes an act of God to see what you are searching for, and the only one who can reveal these things to you is God himself, so my prayer for you is that you will have open eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to believe and receive the good news, then it will all make sense. God loves you whether you know it or not, the scriptures says ‘he loved us first’, even when we hurt him with our bad behaviour, he chose to die for us anyway, it is the greatest act of love, what more could he do?

  27. Mark James November 16, 2010 at 10:08 pm #

    Hi Geno,

    I’ll look you up when we get to heaven – should be able to provide all the evidence you need then. Will your friend and the judges be with you? :-)

  28. Russell Crawford November 17, 2010 at 12:01 am #

    God has the greatest offer, by faith repent and accept the free gift of salvation through His Son, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The simple answer to the question is prophesy revealed and being revealed through the nation of Israel making the Holy Bible absolutely true and inerrant. Therefore, not just the earth, but the heavens and the earth were created in 6 days just as the Bible says. Jesus Christ is found on every page, and the plan for the salvation of mankind was put into action before earth’s foundation was even layed.

  29. Jack Napper November 17, 2010 at 1:38 am #

    There is not a single piece of evidence to prove the big bang.

    Thank you for your baseless assertion.

    No evidence of evolution, perhaps you can show me where a cat turned into an elephant.

    Thank you for your strawman. I like Kirk Cameron’s Crocaduck better though.

    Was the topic about abiogenesis? Nope. As with all your posts, a stretch of the imagination.

    Let’s recap…

    Yep, something from nothing. Very convincing. Not!

    Which of those three (Big Bang/Cosmology, Evolutionary Theory and Abiogenesis) make this claim? Even Atheism makes no such claim. Hawkings? Please, please please, prove that you didn’t bother actually reading the source material.

    I have all the answers I need to prove God created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days. I can’t help that you cannot see that.

    So when’s show and tell?

  30. andrew Ryan November 17, 2010 at 2:27 am #

    Stephen H: “Almost always out of context? Name one of them please.”

    Stephen, if you look back a few blogs you’ll see Kent posted four quotes that supposedly showed that even scientists doubt evolution. However, the comments pointed out that none of the quotes stood up. Two of them were completely unverifiable (including one purporting to have been made years after its originator died!) and the other two didn’t actually show any doubt in evolution.

    If you want to provide a quote, please go ahead.

  31. Caleb Fielding November 17, 2010 at 4:42 am #

    we have evolution is school because some people in our country really really want a state church.

  32. John Bebbington November 17, 2010 at 8:31 am #

    Geno Castagnoli said:

    “This is a legitimate offer as I have a friend with the money and it will be paid out immediatly when the proof is presented.”

    Geno, would it not be more prudent to pay out the money after the proof has been tested and found to be correct? Otherwise, I might just send you any old proof and expect a cheque by return.

    And shouldn’t the Ph.D’s be required from accredited institutions and in relevant subjects. You wouldn’t want to find Fales, Kent, Slusher, Baugh, Patton and any number of other dishonest “Doctors” on the panel by default.

  33. Emily G. November 17, 2010 at 9:07 am #

    I would like to ask the evolutionists to take some time and watch Mr. Hovind’s dvd’s. There are amazing testimonies out there about how they changed atheists’ lives. Dr. Hovind’s teaching makes a lot of sense and if you haven’t watched them, please do!!! It will change your life forever, if you are not ignorant on purpose. I pray that God will open your hearts while you watch. Thank you.

  34. John Bebbington November 17, 2010 at 9:16 am #

    Don Carr

    “Hasn’t anyone wondered why the churches know so little?”

    Everybody is wrong but Don. Why is it that so many born again Christians seem to think that they are in receipt of a unique revelation which requires them to set up their own tax-free church to preach their version of the gospel? Could it be that their God is made in the image of his human creator rather than vice versa?

    “The churches have gone to a great extent to remove YHWH’s name from the bible. Christ knew his Father’s name, and used it. Shouldn’t we be as polite.”

    I know Abba was a Swedish pop group but who was Elohim? And, Don, you seem very free with your God’s name. Observant Jews (whose forefathers knew a thing or two about YHWH having invented him) would never dream of throwing his name around like you do.

    “Google “Eric Jon Phelps” and it gets worse.”

    EJP said: “I believe, the present Jesuit General is Count Hans Kolvenbach. I call him Count Hans Kolven hoof.”

    What a nice man your hero is.

  35. Geno Castagnoli November 17, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Stephen H (with regard to creationist quote mining):
    “Almost always out of context? Name one of them please.”
    ######
    Geno answers:
    We could start with the “quote” of Gould about the lack of transitionals. Gould was misquoted on that one so often he finally denounced creationists as an “anti-science… scourge.” Others who have been widely misquoted include Patterson and Futuyama (sp?).

  36. Geno Castagnoli November 17, 2010 at 1:02 pm #

    John Bebbington wrote (with regard to my offer of ONE MILLION DOLLARS to any creationst who could prove a six day creation:
    Geno, would it not be more prudent to pay out the money after the proof has been tested and found to be correct? Otherwise, I might just send you any old proof and expect a cheque by return.
    ######
    Geno answers:
    Since my offer parallels that of Kent Hovind, the proof would first need to demonstrate that is the onl way creation could have happened. Then it would need to satisfy me before it would be sent to the judges.
    #####

    John askes:
    And shouldn’t the Ph.D’s be required from accredited institutions and in relevant subjects.
    #####
    Geno points out:
    Unlike many of the YEC “doctorates” all of my experts have fully accredited degrees in relevant subjects.

  37. Jennifer Preston November 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm #

    I do not believe in evolution. Iaccept the evidence and conclude that it is our best explanation for all the observations.

  38. toni popov November 18, 2010 at 4:30 pm #

    @ carl m
    with all the respect, i would really want to know how come giraffes necks become so long.
    i have a cousin scientist and he told me it happened because they didn’t have food from the trees, and because of that their necks become long. and also it took long time for that. thousands of years.
    if so, i’ve come to 2 possible answers:
    1. the leafs become to disappear slowly and were getting higher, so also their necks, day by day, for a 1000′s of years
    2. they were so smart, so they knew that that will happen, so they’ve started to stretch their necks, in order to be able to eat when all the leafs will be high.
    but the only thing that bothers me is: how come the goats and zebras survived?

  39. Geno Castagnoli November 18, 2010 at 10:20 pm #

    Emily G. wrote:
    I would like to ask the evolutionists to take some time and watch Mr. Hovind’s dvd’s.
    ######
    Geno answers:
    What makes you think at least some of us haven’t?
    #####

    Emily said:
    There are amazing testimonies out there about how they changed atheists’ lives.
    #####
    Geno points out:
    Only a small percentage (around 20%) of evolutionists are atheists.
    #####

    Emily claims:
    Dr. Hovind’s teaching makes a lot of sense and if you haven’t watched them, please do!!!
    ######
    Geno answers:
    I will certainly agree that Hovind has a polished presentation. He should. However, I get my science at something above what CSE has already said is a “4th grade” level.
    #####

    Emily:
    It will change your life forever, if you are not ignorant on purpose.
    ######
    Geno:
    I’ll wage one of us is “ignorant” of the relevant science. I’ll double the wager that it isn’t me.
    #####

  40. Truth_Seeker H November 19, 2010 at 7:01 am #

    John Bebbington said:

    “Do stay on topic. The discussion was about evolution and why it is taught. It was not about your fear of incorporeal bogeymen under the bed.”

    I am very well on topic, I’ll explain later. Next you said: “It was not about your fear of incorporeal bogeymen under the bed” -> hehe funny, REALLY FUNNY, I mean I was laughing so hard the people in the office had to calm me down…. Was that the reaction you wanted? Cause it did not happen. Or did you want my conclusion to sound stupid? Thing is, those who know the truth don’t really care what you have to say and actually feel sorry for you, don’t know if that is what you wanted but that’s what’s happening every time you write something negative.

    First thing -> true believers (there is only one GOD) should not to be afraid AT ALL:

    1. 1 John 4:4 – Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
    2. Rom 8:31 – What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?

    So I am not afraid of “bogeymen” or whatever you thought of that actually sounds funny.

    Truth is far from funny though; truth is evolution is taught in almost all school systems all around the world and has no evidence.

    Science has proven looking in our DNA that we ALL came from one mother -> Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) indicates that all women have descended from a single woman, called mitochondrial Eve.

    How weird is that? If we came from apes why not back track to then? Funny agian because as you’ll read in Wikipedia about that, the first people trying to stop these scientific testing was evolutionists… o and before you say the “evidence” shows eve lived 150 – 200 thousand years back which is also a lie based on evolution assumptions. The true date of eve actually dates back to +/- 6000 Years.

    satan will push the evolution lie so that all people starting from a very young age deny the existence of God and make it more and more difficult for someone to believe in the truth. If you deny the existence of God and reject all correction by believers when you die – you’ll be thrown in a place without God where you’ll be with satan aka Hell.

    (Mat 13:51-52) And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

    Do you understand?

    (Mat 25:46)And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

  41. Alfred Russell Wallace November 19, 2010 at 10:19 am #

    A good question kent, why do you want to brainwash students?

    Oh wait… that’s right. You think you’re “winning souls” by lying to children and students.

    Kent, seeing as how you believe dinosaurs existed on the basis of fossils;
    please explain to me the following fossils in Human Evolution:

    Sahelanthropus tchadensis – 7 million years ago

    Orrorin tugenensis – 6 million years ago

    Australopithecus anamensis – 5.5 million years ago

    Ardipithecus ramidus – 4.4 million years ago

    Australopithecus afarensis – 3.6-3.8 million years ago

    Kenyanthropus platyops – 3.5 million years ago

    Australopithecus africanus – 2.6-2.8 million years ago

    Paranthropus aethiopicus – 2.5 million years ago

    Paranthropus robustus – 2 million years ago

    Paranthropus boisei – 1.8 million years ago

    Homo georgicus – 1.8 million years ago

    Homo habilis – 1.8-1.75 million years ago

    Homo ergaster – 1.75 million years ago

    Homo gautengensis – 1.5 million years ago

    Homo antecessor – 780,000 years ago

    Homo erectus – 1.5 million – 400,000 years ago

    Homo heidelbergensis – 500,000-209,000 years ago

    Homo neanderthalenis – 350,000 years ago

    Homo rhodesiensis – 300,000 years ago

    Homo sapiens – 200,000 years ago

  42. Brandon Backman November 19, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    To Geno Castagnoli

    The appearance of life on Earth and decay rate of the magnetic field are both evidence for a young Earth and a God.

  43. Geno Castagnoli November 21, 2010 at 4:17 pm #

    Truth_Seeker H claims:
    Truth is far from funny though; truth is evolution is taught in almost all school systems all around the world and has no evidence.
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    Geno answers:
    Well, it has no evidence IF you subscribe to the CSE Statement of Faith that any evidence in conflict with a literal reading of Genesis is “invalid” by definition.

    However, if you make the slightest effort to approach the evidence objectively, you will quickly realize the empirical evidence of an ancient universe is overwhelming and that your simplistic, literalist understanding of Genesis is in error.

  44. Geno Castagnoli November 21, 2010 at 4:23 pm #

    Brandon Backman claims:
    The appearance of life on Earth and decay rate of the magnetic field are both evidence for a young Earth and a God.
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    Geno points out:
    I didn’t ask for evidence of God.

    The decay rate of the magnetic field isn’t proof of anything as both mainstream science and YEC acknowledge multiple reversals of the Earth’s magnetic field in the past.

    In fact, if you know anything about electricity, you would realize the strength of the field isn’t really an issue, it’s how fast it changes. (Electrical energy in induced as magnetic lines of flux cross conductors. That’s how the alternator in your car as well as all of our power plants work.) In other words, rapid magnetic pole reversals would be much more a problem in a YEC model than they are for mainstream science.