Was there really a worldwide flood? If so, wouldn’t people around the world be cognizant about it? In this episode of Creation Today, hosts Eric Hovind and Paul Taylor welcome special guest Jeremy Wiles, who has traveled around the world to look for stories about Noah’s Ark and the great flood. You will hear some fascinating stories that Jeremy Wiles has gathered from various people along his journey as well as find out more about the movie he’s currently working on.
Eric Hovind: From the CTN studio in Pensacola, Florida, this is the Creation Today show with Eric Hovind and Paul Taylor.
Paul Taylor: And on the Show today we are absolutely thrilled that we’re going to be talking to a man who has been researching lots of stories about Noah’s flood, and he’s been all over the world to find these stories.
Eric Hovind: It is incredible stuff. More reasons to believe the bible is literally true and scientifically accurate in every single detail. We know you’re going to enjoy getting to know Jeremy Wiles from Arkhunterthemovie.com, and you can go there and research more about him. I hope you’re looking forward to hearing what he has to say, right after this.
Eric Hovind: Well, thank you so much for joining us today. We are really excited about the some of the things we have on the show to share with you today about Noah’s Ark.
Paul Taylor: It’s gonna be a real cool show, because the whole business about Noah’s Ark and Noah’s flood is just so important, so central, to the accounts in the Bible.
Eric Hovind: It is, and what’s so amazing, while we’re talking about the flood today, it is storming outside the studio, so we’ve got God has given us some built-in sound effects.
Paul Taylor: Yes, if you hear anything, any rumbling or anything and it’s not because I didn’t have lunch,
Eric Hovind: Yeah
Paul Taylor: it’s because there’s thunder outside [laughter]
Eric Hovind: Well, we wanna tell you about a couple things going on. First of all, we’re excited to announce that we have scheduled the very first ever Proof of God conference with a church in Orlando Florida. So this conference is gonna be March 16th and 17th of 2012, plan your spring break to come down and visit us in Orlando, Florida. We’ve got some great speakers lined up for this conference, too.
Paul Taylor: We’ve got some absolutely superb speakers lined up at the conference. We’ve got Carl Kirby from Reasons for Hope Ministries
Eric Hovind: Good friend
Paul Taylor: Very very excited to be working with Carl again
Eric Hovind: Mark Spence is gonna be there from Way of the Master, he’s the Dean of students at the school of Biblical Evangelism, great friend and man, powerful messages to share.
Paul Taylor: That’s right. Then we’ve got our good friend Sye Ten Brueggencate. He’s going to be there as well.
Eric Hovind: Yes, from Canada is going to be there. And other Creation Ministries. And you’re gonna be speaking there.
Paul Taylor: I’m gonna be there.
Eric Hovind: That’s why I’m going, cause you’re gonna be there.
Paul Taylor: I’ve got a couple of things to say, like “hello” and “welcome”. [Laughter] And there’s another chap there, let me think, a good looking chap, yeah, Eric Hovind.
Eric Hovind: Oh, yeah! I don’t know if he’ll have anything good to say or not, but the other guys, you’re gonna want to come
Paul Taylor: There’s always a first time
Eric Hovind: [Laughter] There’s always a first time, that’s exactly right. Well we’re excited about this conference. We just scheduled it and want you to find out more about it at proofconference.com, proofconference.com, and you can check out a little more about that conference. See if you can come down and join us in Orlando for that. So that’s gonna be exciting.
Paul Taylor: It’s gonna be absolutely wonderful, you’re gonna have your faith built up at that conference,
Eric Hovind: Yeah
Paul Taylor: So make sure you’re there.
Eric Hovind: Cause we’re gonna teach you how to defend the God that absolutely exists. Not the God that maybe exists, or most likely exists, but the absolute God that does exist. Hey, that’s not all. Also, the Genesis series project is really coming along. If you go to genesisseries.com you can check out that project. It is gonna be incredible. The animator that the company that’s doing that has moved here to Pensacola, we’ve set them up, and is now full time working on the Genesis story, the story of the Bible Chapters 1 through Chapter 3 in 3D animation, just like Avatar. So it’s gonna be incredible.
Paul Taylor: There’s a website where you can see a preview which is genesisseries.com.
Eric Hovind: That’s correct
Paul Taylor: Dot com. Genesisseries.com, so make sure you see that’s 3D animation without the blue aliens. [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: That’s correct. Well, let’s get to our subject matter today. I’ve gotta tell you, I’m excited. We’ve got Jeremy Wiles from Ark Hunter the movie on and I am so excited about that. Did I mispronounce your last name, Jeremy?
Jeremy Wiles: No, Wiles.
Eric Hovind: I’ve got it right. Well, hey, welcome to the show, man.
Jeremy Wiles: Thank you.
Eric Hovind: Thanks so much for being here.
Jeremy Wiles: Thanks for having me.
Eric Hovind: You know, I got to meet Jeremy, I got to meet you several months ago though a radio program that we were doing together. And, man, we’re going back and forth sharing with the audience, and I’d never met him before and he was telling stories on the air, and I was just like, this is incredible! So I was like, man, you gotta share some of those stories with our audience here, it’s really neat.
Jeremy Wiles: Absolutely
Eric Hovind: Tell us real quick, Jeremy, about kinda what you’re doing and why you got involved in Noah’s Ark?
Jeremy Wiles: Gosh man, you know this was a, I guess it was a childhood obsession. And in life we have questions growing up and a lot of times those questions leave you when you become an adult. And with me it just, it never left. It became absolute obsession.
Eric Hovind: That is amazing.
Jeremy Wiles: And at some point I decided that, you know I had some offers to go into the corporate world and I decided I was gonna pick up my briefcase, or pick up my backpack instead of my briefcase. So I went out off on this journey and it’s been a blast.
Eric Hovind: Dude, and there’s no questions if people go to your website, give us your website real quick.
Jeremy Wiles: It’s arkhuntermovie.com.
Eric Hovind: Arkhuntermovie.com, I’m telling you, listeners, when you go there and check that out, you’ll see Jeremy has really done the adventures. You’ve been traveling now for a couple years, and you can tell from the video footage you’ve got on your website, you’ve really done some adventures out there, haven’t you?
Jeremy Wiles: Well, I’m trying to get you to come with me, man.
Eric Hovind: I’m ready to go, all I need is
Jeremy Wiles: That studio is looking real comfy
Eric Hovind: I need a cool hat like you wear [Laughter], I get my Indiana Jones hat and I’m ready to go man.
Paul Taylor: Yeah, when I first saw one of your movies I though you were British for a minute, cause you had one of those [indiscernible 00:05:20] on top of your head [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: Well, tell us real quick, I wanna get into, I kinda wanna step back and let you share some of the stories of some of these places you’ve gone, cause you’ve gotten to see and experience some really cool things. Can you tell us probably, maybe some of your favorite things that you’ve done?
Jeremy Wiles: Goodness. Well, you know, the movie has been shot in about twelve countries now. And we’ve traveled through I guess about forty countries in getting there. Gosh, I don’t even know where to start, it’s just, I think one thing that’s so fascinating is that there are over 350 cultures that have a story of a great flood. And what’s amazing about that fact is that over 80 percent of them have commonalities, of an ark, of a worldwide flood, of animals on a boat, of eight people on that ark. And if this was a local flood event, you know, according to some skeptics out there, you know, they theorize it was the Black Sea that flooded. If that’s what took place, then why would we have all these commonalities in different cultures around the world? It had to, they had to take with them the same story throughout the world. And there’s no reason for an ark, there’s no reason, reasons to take birds on and ark, if it was a local flood. So, I’ve gone into some of these cultures, and these tribes in jungles, in China, in India, and we’ve documented these things. And up until now we’ve read about them in textbooks, or in novels, but we’ve got these things on film. So it’s pretty exciting.
Eric Hovind: So you’re literally gonna show people these stories, these legends, it’s the people there sharing the legend. Now I know on one of them, and after the break we’re gonna show a clip that you sent us of one of the guys singing the legend. It was passed down through song, is that right?
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, this is in China. This is the Hmong people. And the guy singing the song, which was the story of the flood. In China, in the Hmong tribe, they carry their stories down through oral tradition. And it’s not just spoken, it’s sung. So he actually sung, I sat there in his house, and he was smoking this three-foot long pipe [Laughter], and he’s telling me this story, he’s singing it to me. And, you know, I sit there and I’m thinking, wow, this is absolutely amazing. Because I asked him later, you know, who told you this story? Where did this come from? And his reason, or his explanation was, well, it was passed down through generations. I heard it from my grandfather, and his grandfather told it to him. So, some white dude shows up in his village, a few thousand years later and [laughter] and he tells it to me.
Eric Hovind: That is incredible. Well right after this break I wanna show the viewers a clip of this, of what you’re talking about as well as giving some of the other stories and legends that you’ve now captured. And talk about the movie that you’re doing. This is gonna be incredible. So stay tuned as we talk about that right after this.
Paul Taylor: Welcome back. You’re watching Creation Today with Paul Taylor and Eric Hovind, and you know, we’re absolutely thrilled today that we’ve got Jeremy Wiles on the line. We’ve been talking to him. He’s from arkhuntermovie.com, and we’re just having a wonderful time listening to his stories that he’s gathered around the world about Noah’s flood. And you know Eric a lot of people just don’t believe in Noah’s flood today.
Eric Hovind: Exactly.
Paul Taylor: They don’t believe it happened, or if it did happen it was just a local event.
Eric Hovind: Yeah
Paul Taylor: And this local event that Jeremy has told us, is reflected in stories in 350 cultures around the world. So that’s a remarkable coincidence, isn’t it?
Eric Hovind: It is. You know, there’s so much evidence for this, but the Bible tell us, in the last days, people are going, scoffers are going to be willingly ignorant of three things: Second Peter chapter 3 says the scoffers are going to be ignorant of the creation, which we talk a lot about. They’re also gonna be ignorant of the flood, and the coming judgment of God. So this really is one of the critical things that people are willingly ignorant, and as my dad says, the Bible, in the Bible that means dumb on purpose. They’re willingly ignorant about these things. So, Jeremy, thanks again for being on with us. We really appreciate you being here, and I wanna show the people this clip that we’ve been talking about. Of the man actually singing his tradition. Tell us a little bit about that. Let’s start that clip rolling right now. Tell us a little bit about what we’re watching here.
Jeremy Wiles: This is in Southern China. We had traveled about five thousand miles across the country, and I had gone to this old Hmong guy’s house. He’s one of the last ten men in his tribe, within the Hmong people, that know their ancient stories. And they pass their traditions down orally. And they just don’t, you know, tell you about their traditions, they sing them to you. So, I went to his house. And, you know, it’s not like you can just show up and say hey, tell me your stories. [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: Yeah.
Jeremy Wiles: It’s kind of a process, you know, I’ve learned this by going into the jungle in the Philippines and getting a flood story as well. Their stories are extremely important to them. So, they just don’t come out and say yeah lemme tell you, lemme tell you what happened. They wanna sit down with you, they wanna, it’s a formal event really, and so we sat there on the floor of his house and he told me, he sang to me the story of the great flood.
Paul Taylor: That’s just incredible. And you told us something about the story and the reason why the flood happened according to his story. What was that, Jeremy?
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, I had asked him, I said what was the reason that God flooded the earth? And he went on to tell me, and he said that there were two brothers. And one brother was jealous of the other, and he committed murder against his brother. He killed him. And God saw this jealousy, He saw that this murder took place, and He decided to destroy the world. So, I mean obviously that sounds like the story of Cain and Abel.
Eric Hovind: Man! Ok, right here it’s at the end of the clip here, and you’re standing in a temple that looks really fascinating. Tell us about this temple that we just saw.
Jeremy Wiles: This is a temple, I can’t remember what province it’s in, but it’s called the Nuwa temple. Spelled N-U-W-A. And they worship the God Nuwa.
Eric Hovind: Nuwa
Jeremy Wiles: I’m not making that stuff up. [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: That is so cool. So, I mean, literally even some of the similarities there, that is fascinating. And this places are, this is a really cool place. I mean this temple obviously was built a long time ago and you’re standing there at this temple to Nuwa. Wow.
Jeremy Wiles: It was built 550 BC, Nuwa was the hero of the flood, and the story is that Nuwa patched the hole in the sky with five or seven colored stones. Nuwa gathered these stones that, he melted the stones, and with this molten mixture patched the hole in the sky. So Nuwa in China is known as the sky hole patcher. Which, of course, the colored stones sound like the rainbow.
Eric Hovind: Yeah! And patched the hole in the sky say it’s not raining anymore.
Jeremy Wiles: Right, yeah.
Eric Hovind: Man! Ok.
Jeremy Wiles: It’s amazing.
Paul Taylor: It’s just a remarkable coincidence [Laughter] that these stories are so similar to the Bible then, Jeremy? No I can see you shaking your head.
Jeremy Wiles: I don’t… I mean, if you were to go on to a crime scene, Paul, and you were to investigate, you know, what happened. You would find fingerprints, you might find blood stains, you might find a broken window, you might even find testimony from the person across the street. That’s the anthropological evidence. So it’s, looking at the flood is a lot like the analogy of going to a crime scene. You’ve got evidence all over the world. It’s there, it’s geological, paleontological, anthropological, all these logicals. [Laughter] But the evidence is there.
Eric Hovind: It is a logical conclusion to conclude there really was a worldwide flood. And that’s why the Bible says to ignore all this evidence you would have to be willingly ignorant, cause you don’t want to believe that.
Paul Taylor: Yes.
Eric Hovind: As we know, there are serious implications to believing that there was a worldwide flood. That means God can judge His creation like He says He did in the Bible. That means God can judge you and I for the actions that we do here on Earth.
Paul Taylor: Yes.
Eric Hovind: There are serious implications to the whole idea of the flood being a real event.
Paul Taylor: Yeah, tell me, Jeremy, because you’ve been talking about the Hmong people there, and their story. And you said something to us about oracle bones, while we’re still talking about China, do you want to elaborate on the oracle bones and the things, the evidence that we see there?
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, these were bones that were discovered in 1899. And what’s interesting about these bones is they had ancient Chinese characters written on to the bones. And the ancient Chinese call them dragon bones, but they were dinosaur fossils. So, the ancient Chinese wrote characters, calligraphy, onto the dinosaur bones, and they called them dragon bones.
Paul Taylor: Wow.
Eric Hovind: That’s incredible.
Jeremy Wiles: When they analyze these bones, the characters are a lot similar to the modern day Chinese characters. And I met with a professor, kind of like the Harvard University of China. And he explained to me that these oracle bones when they created this calligraphy that they took their history and they embedded it into the development of their calligraphy. So, they took events from their past, or what was happening at that time, and they took those events and they used those to come up with these pictographic idiograms of their Chinese char the Chinese language is actually pictographic. It’s idiograms, which are symbols. So you might have several symbols or pictures that make up one word. And I asked him to give me an example of what he was talking about, and he gave me the Chinese word, this is a character that’s four thousand years old. He gave me the word for “the past”. And it was a picture of the sun and above the sun were waves, so when the Chinese refer to the past, they refer to an event where the waters reached the heavens. And I thought ok, well that could have some connection there. I later went to Beijing, and I met with another guy who expounded on this a bit more. And he gave me the word, the Chinese word for “big boat”. And when broken apart, in those three different pictures, the first picture is the word for “vessel”. Now this is one word for “big boat”, and there’s three different pictures in there. The first word is “vessel”, or “ark”. The second word is the number eight, or the picture for eight. And the last one is a picture for mouth, or people. So, when the Chinese refer, were referring to a big boat, they referred to eight people in an ark. [Laughter]
Eric Hovind: Unbelievable. And there’s gotta be more of these that are out there. Cause some people could say those two were just coincidences. Alright, we gotta take a break but we’ve got to talk more about these because this, again, just piles on the evidence of a worldwide flood. Alright, and the traditions in China. We’ll talk about that right after this.
Eric Hovind: Welcome back to Creation Today where we’re talking about Noah’s Ark. Did it, was there really a worldwide flood, did Noah really build a boat? There are legends all around the world that say yes indeed, he did, We’re talking with Jeremy Wiles, our special guest from arkhuntermovie.com. You can visit him online at arkhuntermovie.com, or his Facebook page, Facebook.com/arkhunter, so I encourage you to go check that. Jeremy, thanks again for being with us on this show man, we really are enjoying learning from you. If we could get into a couple more of these characters. You’ve given two characters, do you have any others, cause some people might say, oh those are just a coincidence, that hose Chinese characters can be broken down into representing things that the Bible, you know, says really happened. A couple more?
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, well, first of all I would suggest that they get a book out there, it’s called the discovery of Genesis
Eric Hovind: Ah, great book.
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, it’s really good. Ethel Nelson is a friend of mine, and she has compiled the biggest list that you could ever ask for. She’s put her life work into this project. I was going through China this one time, this is kind of funny the way it happened. The translator that was with me, we pulled off into a rest stop, and I noticed there was this sign above the ramp, going back up the opposite direction. And I knew what it was, cause I saw the character in Ethel’s book. And I asked the translator, I said what does that mean? And he said “forbidden”. He translated it for me. It was these characters. I said “Forbidden”, ok. And I told him to explain the symbols, the pictures in this character “forbidden”. And he told me, he said, well it’s, there’s two trees on the top, and then beneath it is God. So, you have two trees in a garden [laughter] and God.
Eric Hovind: That is awesome!
Jeremy Wiles: The trees were forbidden.
Eric Hovind: Yeah! This is not just coincidence, is it? They really have taken the truths of things. Adam and Eve were real people, the Garden of Eden, the tree of Life, knowledge of good and evil, real things. It really happened.
Jeremy Wiles: It was real. Yeah, it was absolutely real. And
Eric Hovind: Yeah I know where you can get that book, can’t you
Paul Taylor: You can get it from creationstore.org
Eric Hovind: That is a great place, I love that store. Creationstore.org, you can feel free to spend a lot of money in there, and support. I hear the money you that people spend in Creation Store goes to feed the starving children. Yours and mine and a bunch of other people’s starving children, yeah [Laughter]Ok, well this is fascinating. There’s a couple of other legends you wanted to get into, right?
Paul Taylor: I mean, just cover some very briefly, Jeremy. At least one of the other stories that you’ve collected. I don’t know, from the Philippines, or from India or wherever you whatever you feel like.
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, the one in the Philippines I trekked into the jungle of the Southern Philippines, and there’s a tribe called the [indiscernible 00:20:48]. They have, they’re an indigenous tribe, so that’s like the Native Americans, they’re native to that area. And they’re a, actually have an extremely violent past. And they have this tradition called [indiscernible 00:21:03] which means vengeance killings. And if you, I mean, if you do something very simple, like insult an elder, or steal a goat, or something crazy, they have the right to come and kill you. And there’s this 24-hour passage, where they, they demonstrated this whole thing to me in this tribe. But, I could get into all those details. It’s crazy, man.
Eric Hovind: Whoa, whoa. So don’t offend that tribe. [Laughter]
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, you’ve gotta watch what you say I guess. But I sat down with the chief of the tribe, it took several days to get him to talk to me, because you it’s the same thing, they just don’t share these stories with anyone. So it’s, they’re very important to them, and they’ve been passed down through generations. The chief, his name is [indiscernible 00:21:52], which means “Chief Crocodile’. And he sat down at his, in front of his house I guess it was, and he told me the story that they have of the great flood. And it has all the same characteristics as the biblical story, which I was surprised. I was thinking I would get something convoluted and distorted,
Eric Hovind: For four thousand years, yeah, you would think that it’s different
Jeremy Wiles: You would think, yeah, and it did have some differences. They were, they took provisions on to the ark, which were sweet potatoes, because they have sweet potatoes in that area.
Eric Hovind: Now I’ve got a questions Jeremy. Some people would argue, hey these stories are just from people that experienced a local flood, it’s not worldwide. How do we put all these together and say no it really was a worldwide flood?
Jeremy Wiles: Well, I mean, I asked the chief that same story, and according to his tradition they pass this, he actually got the story from his 105-year old grandfather. So it’s been passed down through generation and generation. You know, it goes back to just plain old common sense, why even build a boat, if it was a local flood?
Eric Hovind: How would they have known, how would they have even know to build a boat if it was just a local flood that just happened one time?
Jeremy Wiles: Right, yeah. Why not just move out of the neighborhood? Go somewhere else. [Laughter]
Paul Taylor: And why have birds on it, when the birds could’ve easily flown over the mountains where there was no flood?
Eric Hovind: Yeah, all the evidence just goes together to show this really was a worldwide flood just like Genesis is talking about.
Jeremy Wiles: Well, if someone’s gonna say, ok, you’ve got to prove to me that there was a flood. And if there was a flood, I would suspect that there would be plenty of stories around the world about this flood. Well guess what? There are a lot of stories about a great flood
Eric Hovind: Around the world. Well I’m excited about the movie that you guys are working on. I know movies take a long time, we’re at the beginning stages of one ourself. Tell us, when you guys are gonna try to release this. You still got a lot more research to do and then put this together, correct?
Jeremy Wiles: Yeah, we’ve got a few years left.
Eric Hovind: Okay.
Jeremy Wiles: In production. And, you know, we’ve been working on it now for about seven years. So we’re talking nine, ten years before this thing is finished. It’s been self-financed out of very small pockets [Laughter], but it’s getting there. It’s nearing the end.
Eric Hovind: Well that’s where a lot of people wanna jump on board and I wanna encourage you, if you would like to see this project completed, please go to Facebook.com/arkhunter, or arkhuntermovie.com, get in touch, and get involved. I’m sure, Jeremy, that this could happen sooner as finances and resources come into make this happen, to accomplish this, right?
Jeremy Wiles: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, it takes a lot of money to make a movie.
Eric Hovind: It really does. Yeah. So if you guys wanna get involved, please go there, and donate to this. Give your tax refund, or your other charitable contribution to the Noah’s Ark project. That’d be great.
Jeremy Wiles: Thank you.
Paul Taylor: I know some of the arks are being built as well in different places
Eric Hovind: Yeah?
Paul Taylor: Aren’t they? In northern Kentucky, there’s an ark in [indiscernible 00:25:01] being built by Answers in Genesis.
Eric Hovind: Full size Noah’s Ark, and then the one in the Netherlands.
Paul Taylor: Yes, arkvannoach.com
Eric Hovind: What?
Paul Taylor: A-r-k-v-a-n-n-o-a-c-h dot com, that website in Dutch is built by [indiscernible 00:25:16], who’s taking his ark hopefully, God-willing across to London for the 2012 Olympics.
Eric Hovind: Unbelievable. Well, Jeremy, thanks so much for being on the show with us today. And I really am thrilled with the work that you’re doing there, so thanks so much for being with us.
Jeremy Wiles: Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Eric Hovind: Hey, if you have questions, feel free to send them in to firstname.lastname@example.org . Of course you can join us on Twitter. Twitter.com/creationtoday. Or Facebook. Facebook.com/creationtoday.
Paul Taylor: Absolutely. This has been a production of God Quest Ministries. Thank you.