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Wouldn’t the world be overpopulated if Adam and Eve had not sinned?

Q: Wouldn’t the world be overpopulated if Adam and Eve had not sinned?

This is a fair question that many have asked. I’m not sure how other creationists or theologians answer it, but here are my eclectic thoughts in no particular order:

  1. Since the Bible says God greatly multiplied Eve’s conception after she sinned, it may be that pre-sin women could only have conceived once every seven years instead of every month as it is today.  I’m sure everyone would have liked that better!  Even still, with children spaced out further and delayed maturation (married at 100+?) the eventual problem of filling the world remains.
  2. With greater fruiting capacity, the earth could have supported a population of hundreds of billions. He formed the earth to be inhabited (Is 45:18). Today, the earth is about 3% habitable since 70% is covered by water and lots covered by ice, desert, mountains and other unlivable places. Even with a 90+% habitable earth and 1000% more ability to produce food per acre, as they may have had, the problem still remains. That is, unless God had always planned a 6,000-year life for the earth before going into the new dimension of eternity, whatever that is.
  3. Matthew 24 tells us that God will gather his elect FROM the furthest part of earth TO the furthest part of heaven. So, there must be LOTS of room someplace “out there” where He intends to take us someday.  Maybe, if Adam and Eve had not sinned, God intended for them to populate other planets or galaxies?  There seems to be no end to those, so the space problem would disappear. Just a wild idea to consider.
  4. Years ago I read about an experiment where a man raised deer in captivity, but surrounded their enclosure with pictures of deer and models of deer and even movies of deer.  Apparently the deer “thought” their area was too crowded and they never went into estrous to be able to reproduce.  It could have been God’s plan to fill the earth with X bazillion people and then everyone just lives forever, but no more babies would be born. Just as many animals grow to fit their container, maybe the population would grow to fit the space and food supply?

I welcome any other ideas and input others may have.  In one sense, the question is moot since we know (and God knew in advance) that they did sin and we do die.  I suggest we focus on getting people ready for THAT!  Time is running out, so pour on the coals winning souls!

Feel free to use our material if they will help you witness to others.  “A man’s gift maketh room for him” (Prv 18:16). It’s easier to talk to anyone as you give him or her a gift like a tract or DVD.

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  1. Julie Collins September 27, 2010 at 9:28 am #

    overpopulation is a issue in todays time, also is the excess use of materials like oil and trees. so many people in todays time do not reproduce either because they cannot, or feel no desire to. in my opinion god may have also put homosexuals and transsexuals on this earth in order to slow down the population growth. (john 9:2-3) says that god put transsexuals and homosexuals, blind people, ill people, and all other people either considered “possessed” or “sinful” into this world for a important purpose. the only person who should call them “sinful” or “going to hell” would be the almighty god and him alone.

    but the issue of overpopulation is very important in todays time period. and whether Adam or eve would have overpopulated the world if they did not sin is more of a matter of assumption, as there is evidence pointing in both ways on this issue. we cannot entirely prove it based on the fact that that situation never happened.

  2. Lance Grey September 27, 2010 at 2:48 pm #

    Even in our low estate, God provides for us according to His glorious riches in Christ, and has storehouses we can’t begin to fathom, that he opens as He wishes.
    God knows everything–even the whereabouts of every molecule of air we need!

    With or without sin, overpopulation for an all knowing, all powerful God is indeed, a moot point!

  3. Mike Ayala September 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    Hi Dr. Hovind,

    This brings up some interesting conjectures.

    I think you nailed it in your final summation that the Lord knew before day one that man would sin. That is why Jesus is the lamb slain from before the foundation of the world:

    Revelation 13:8

    “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

    Jesus going to the cross was neither an after thought nor a plan B. He knew that each of us would sin and need the Savior.

    Acts 15:18

    “Known to God from eternity are all His works.”

    I take it seriously when the Lord says that He will make Abraham’s descendants as numerous as the stars of the heaven:

    Genesis 15:5

    “He took him outside and said, “Look up at the heavens and count the stars–if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be”.”

    Genesis 22:17

    “That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;”

    I think it is impossible for the Lord to exaggerate. When He uses concepts like the dust of the earth, the stars of the heaven, and the sand of the sea, He may be looking into the future after Revelation 21:5 when He says:

    “Behold, I make all things new.”

    There is nothing in the Scripture that I can see that precludes the possibility of future generations after the Day of the Lord eventually spreading out through the universe. I’ve never seen any commandment to reverse “be fruitful and multiply”. What I do know is Jesus will be sitting on His throne, He will be my God, and I will be His son, and so too will be all whom Jesus has loved and washed from sins in His own blood.

    God bless and protect you and fill you with all joy and wisdom.

    Mike Ayala

  4. Jack Napper September 28, 2010 at 2:02 am #

    “Maybe, if Adam and Eve had not sinned, God intended for them to populate other planets or galaxies? There seems to be no end to those, so the space problem would disappear. Just a wild idea to consider.”

    Considered silly.

    1. So EARTH was not specially created for man?
    2. So EARTH is not paradise? I don’t wanna live on Mars! It sucks here!
    3. Did sin result in all the planets being made uninhabitable or did God make them that way but planned to change them later? Seems a bit lazy for a deity to do something half…well you get the idea.
    4. So there is no possibility of life anywhere else in the cosmos? All those empty planets sitting vacant because Adam and Eve screwed up.
    5. If Jesus is supposed to return in ‘about 5 minutes’ (I have fliers from the 70s making the same claim) why keep those vacant planets around anyway.

  5. Ryan Vinter September 28, 2010 at 5:58 am #

    Sorry Julie i do not believe that overpopulation is a issue in todays time :( If it is overpopulated where you are , you can move :)

    That is really interesting thank you Kent :) i only just thought of that question the other day and i was not sure what to make of it. I had a strange thought of in the pre-sin Adam and Eve which was if they never died, Man bought death into the world,

    why would they need to reproduce?
    would they live forever?

    Either way i am sure our almighty God would of had it figured out :)

    What are we to do with these homosexuals? I make nice with them of coarse but i i cant help to wonder does God not approve?

  6. Gary Hendricks September 28, 2010 at 7:13 am #

    Guess I will post this here as the comments were just now closed for the blog on brainwashing.

    Mike Ayala –
    “Remember, no Hebrew scholar respected among his peers will ever say that Exodus 20:11 means anything different than what it appears to mean to us in English taken at face value.”

    Greg Neyman explained your error quite well and I quote him below.

    “God was the only one here during the creation week. Thus, our concept of 24-hour days does not apply to Him. Does God have a “beginning” and “ending” to every day He experiences? No, he doesn’t experience days as we do. God does not require sleep as we do. Thus, the beginning and ending God refers to are specific creative events, and not the concept of “time.”
    If we assign 24-hour days to the days of creation, then the fossil record and astronomy does not match the Bible’s account of creation. However, the Genesis account of creation matches perfectly with the scientific record of creation that we see in the fossil record, when understood within an old earth framework. The “days” of creation cannot be thought of in man’s time, but in God’s time. It is clear that God is breaking down the events of creation by events, not by time, since He is not bound by time. … Young earth creation science believers point to the fourth commandment, thinking it proves conclusively that the days of creation were 24-hour days. The only thing it proves is that God gave us a pattern of work/rest. There is no Biblical reason why 24 hour days is the correct interpretation. God cannot have a “beginning” and “ending” of each day. To say that the days of creation are 24 hours is to limit God to a system of time that He created. God is not “in” the system of time as the creator He is outside of time. ”

    You see Mike…when we allow ourselves to understand the Bible without the blinders of human arrogance the God of creation comes into perfect harmony with His creation. And the plus is that we get to avoid that embarrassment of having to admit that the Earth really is round no matter how adamantly (though incorrectly) we may have thought the Bible said otherwise. LOL.

  7. Dominique Dos Santos September 28, 2010 at 6:27 am #

    I agree, God has a plan for everything. Who knows what god have planned for us.

    We just have to be faithfull and be prepared.

    God bless you all

  8. Gary Hendricks September 28, 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    From Mark
    “Gary,
    A question for you. If the layers of rocks were laid down over millions of years, why is it that, in most cases, the only soil layer is the one on the top (i.e. the present)? Were there no plants around to form soil when the deeper layers were formed and if that is the case, what did the animals, fossilised in the rocks, live on? Generally the only sign of vegetation in the layers are coal deposits but these are few and far between.”

    This sounds like an updated version of the silly theory that topsoil would be much deeper if the Earth were billions of years old. Let me get some help from Dave Matson in an attempt to provide some education.

    “Geologically speaking, any given patch of land is seldom in equilibrium for long. Either it is collecting sediment or being eroded away, usually the latter. Suppose it collects sediment. Water-borne sediment will be washed in from higher ground, perhaps hills and mountains hundreds of miles away. Such sediment, even if from nearby hills, would normally carry very little organic material as the weathering slopes, themselves, would not have much to begin with. Sediment, in the form of dust, would normally come from very dry areas where organic material would be quickly oxidized. The sediment added to our patch of land may be great for building new soil, but if it accumulates too quickly it will merely bury the existing soil. The soil-making process would have to start over. In any case, the old topsoil, now compressed and deeply buried by sediment and soil, is no longer turned over by earthworms or small animals. It is deprived of oxygen and fresh organic material, such as rotting leaves. It is no longer a paradise for bacteria, and fungi. What organic material it did have is often lost by decay and slow oxidation. (Peat bogs and coal-forming swamps are an exception, but we would not count them as topsoils. Under unusual conditions a layer of topsoil can be “fossilized,” even to the point of preserving the three-dimensional shape of tree leaves, as is the case at Yellowstone National Park.) In the long run, buried sediments are usually cemented into sedimentary rock, which brings us back to the beginning of this cycle. Thus, topsoil does not accumulate like most sediment, by simply piling up.”

    And once again…the world really is round. LOL

    In truth it is the young earth creationists who are attacking God and following in the footsteps of their predecessors who stated that those who believe the earth is round and rotates are being used of the devil. I could care less if an atheist looks at scientific discovery and comes to the conclusion that there is no god. The existence of God can not be denied by science any more than it can be proven. I see God in science…and I don’t have to hold to an interpretation of the Bible that would make Him out to be a liar by His creation.

  9. Mike Ayala September 28, 2010 at 7:52 pm #

    Hi Gary,

    Great to hear from you.

    I said, “respected among his peers” and you point to a loose cannon with an axe to grind. Get real. Greg Neyman is a self-professed progressive creationist who is really a theistic evolutionary sympathizer – most certainly not an objective scholar.

    Is that the best you can do, Gary?

    There you go, trying to baffle with blindness again. Greg Neyman does not have the authority to put words into God’s mouth. He is attempting to rewrite Scripture. Did Greg really fool you with that? And you believed him – instead of God? That is a very real example of forsaking “the fountain of living water, and hewn for [yourself] cisterns – broken cisterns that can hold no water.”

    Let me point you to someone who is respected among his peers, Professor James Barr, described in his recent obituary as a radical academic whose incisive critiques challenged the orthodoxies of biblical theology. James Barr was one of the most preeminent Hebrew scholars of our day.
    “Barr moved to Oxford, first briefly to the Oriel chair (basically Old Testament) from 1976 to 1978, and then across to the Regius chair of Hebrew with a studentship at Christ Church (1978-89). By now his reputation was assured, and he traveled extensively, giving many named lecture series, and collecting more honorary degrees and fellowships than some colleagues considered decent.” [excerpted from his recent obituary]

    Remember, James Barr did not believe in an young earth or creation, however he did have the class to not put words into God’s mouth. Although he did not believe in a six day creation, he was not willing to compromise the integrity of his scholarship with his personal biases as done by some.

    Let’s see how well your only hope stands up to proper scholarship. James Barr states on this subject:

    probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that:

    1. Creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience

    2. The figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story

    3. Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark.

    The twisted teaching of Greg Neyman does not stand up to scrutiny very well, does it, Gary?

    See what a little bit of scrutiny can do – even by somebody who is not very smart like me.

    Let’s see, Gary, what another contemporary of Greg Neyman has to say about Greg’s scholarship.

    Dr. Pattle Pun, of the science department at Wheaton College does not believe in an young earth or creation, however, again, he respects the word of God for what it says and not for what his personal beliefs would want it to say:

    “It is apparent that the most straightforward understanding of the Genesis record, without regard to all of the hermeneutical considerations suggested by science, is that God created heaven and earth in six solar days … that death and chaos entered the world after the Fall of Adam and Eve …”

    You see, Gary, even these folks realize they have no justification in the Hebrew language to understand it to mean anything other than 6 24-hour days as we know them today. Their compromise is based on their presuppositional biases from bad science or lies and fantasies passed off as science, but they are not willing to fabricate lies and fantasies about the text to accommodate their own belief. They do not like what it says, but they are not going to lie about it.

    Hum, Gary, get rid of the bad science, the evolutionary dogma without any supporting evidence that will stand any scrutiny, and all one has left are good science which reveals an young earth and creation and the word of God which teaches that the heavens and earth were created in six days as we know them.

    What’s really amazing, Gary, is you call yourself a Christian, and yet you reject the word of God. If you really have any doubt, the word of God says it again in Exodus 20:11 to an audience who would understand the Hebrew word for “day” to mean only a 24-hour day as we know it. The Lord even uses the same exact phrase in Exodus 20:11 as He did in Genesis 1:1, hashshamayim we’t haarets., “the heavens and the earth”. The argument you try to pass off as scholarship would suggest that God lied to His people if the words He spoke to us through His messengers do not mean what they mean at face value. That’s blasphemy.

    “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them…”

    Remember Gary, one of the most foolish things one can do is to interpret the word of God. It needs no interpretation. The word of God speaks for itself. God says what He means and means what He says, and He is able to perform His word.

    I notice you want to focus on anything but the real issue, but would rather deflect the attention to something else as if that would save you. My impression is even more so that you are afraid to trust completely in the word of God. Can you honestly say that you believe that “in six days the Lord made the heavens and earth, the sea, and all that is in them”?

    Please, Gary, trust the word of God. Get off of the fence.

    Gary, without the Rock of the word of God under your feet, you are only standing on sinking sand.

    Grace and blessings to you.

    Mike Ayala

  10. ant bourdon September 28, 2010 at 7:59 pm #

    Here are my ideas about that question.

    1. First, we know that all the people in this world could fit in a space as small as 200 000 feet by 200 000 feet if we consider that each person occupy 2 feet by 2 feet. In fact, we would fit 10 billions people in there. So to say that the world is overpopulated is a lie.

    2. The reason why we lack food for everyone today is not because we lack space; it is because we lack money. Yes, the simple paper to be able to buy. My father was producing milk when I was young. But he decided to stop one day because they told him during few weeks to throw away the milk because there was to much production. But at the same time, there was people in some area of the world or even in Quebec where we live that could get as much milk as they would have liked. Some can’t even get any. The truth is that because banks are controlling the money and debts, companies must keep a virtual price for every item or they won’t be able to pay back their debt because of the unjust interests on the money. So, when there is more production than the people are able to pay, instead of dropping the prices, companies are throwing away the goods. For the solution, learn about the “Social Credit” movement.

    3. Because we lack the paper to make the economy work as it should, we can’t even use raw material to make our life easier. Robots are man’s worse nightmare because they steal jobs. So, today, there is no overpopulation. The truth is that our economy system is slowing down every science progress. If we had a money system based on charity and needs instead of gold (which quantity do not represent the needs of the population), we could terraform all the earth so that every place would be habitable. Then, we could go further. We would we able to modify the molecules on other planets so that it would become habitable. I must add that we could learn ways to plant the crops so that it would be possible to have skyscrapers full of vegetables and fruits on every level. We would then not calculate the space on the earth relatively to the quantity of ground available because we would expand it with our ingenuity.

    4. So would the world be overpopulated if Adam and Eve had not sinned? I say it with certainty: if man would be trying to love others and to give food to others instead of trying to kill or steal each other, there would never be enough men to fill the universe. In the other case, we won’t fill the universe anyway, but we won’t go anywhere either.

  11. ted sebastian September 30, 2010 at 12:58 pm #

    I guess the next question would be, would the flood have occurred if man didn’t sin? If not, the world would have a lot more open land for everything to live on.

  12. Adam Miller October 2, 2010 at 1:06 am #

    If there were still that open land God originally intended for us, -means MUCH more room to roam and live, and also if that sin had not corrupted man at all; then more likely it would be that God had also intended for our sources of energy to be of a form in which we wouldn’t be working ourselves to the bone till death to survive. When the corruption started; the earth was cursed, so we have lost out on the future of a sinless world and God’s ultimately intended purposes for his original Creation and for all time till we meet him. Sin is a seed that takes root and flourishes where ignored or fed; without God’s intervention thru his faithful followers; it will finish the instructions built into/within it to bring about it’s only destination; death and destruction. Now, as with a good seed, planted by a faithful child of God, it can bring forth a multitude and host of saved souls for his arms to welcome home.

    Work, as we know it now, I believe was something that is part of the curse from the original sin; and if it weren’t for the curse to this day; who knows what it would be like? -Only God for sure, but we can surely dream of the possibilities. PRAISE HIM IN THE STORMS!!