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Journey to Peru—Day Four

Drive to Nazca: Aqueducts, gravesites, mummies, mission work.

This morning we were up at 7:00 and had to be on the road at 8:00 to drive down to Nazca in the Altacama Desert, the driest place on the planet.  The trip was absolutely breathtaking as we drove from Pisco down to Nazca through the foothills of the Andes Mountains.  The geography there was very telling as we saw river rock sediment covering the mountains. The question: “How could that kind of sediment be all the way up here?” kept running through my mind.  Thankfully, our geologist Dr. Brent filled us in on the details and told us how the water from the ice age and subsequent flood could account for this river rock material. Evolutionary geology cannot make sense of or account for what we were observing.

Once in Nazca, we checked into our hotel, which was an incredible place for just $40 per night, and then headed out to study the sights where the Ica burial stones had been discovered. While we were in the area, we also studied the famous aqueducts that were built here more than 1500 years ago.  These systems of channeling water are truly impressive, especially considering that there are around 50 of these systems in the area. Circular tunnels have been built that spiral down to a small opening to access the underground stream of water. If you ever get a chance to come here, make sure to wear long pants because there is some kind of insect that has torn our ankles up! We are still scratching them and will be scarred for life!

The true reason for our visit to this area was to study the famous Nazca graves in the middle of the driest desert in the world. This is why the mummies found in these graves are so well preserved; so much so that when they are uncovered the skin and fingernails are still on the bones and you can smell the stench of rotting flesh. This site is critical to our expedition because it is where the famous Ica stones have been discovered buried among the mummies, hence the name, “Ica Burial Stones.”

It was amazing to look back in time as we observed these mummies sitting in the same position that they were buried in some 1200 to 1800 years ago. For decades, grave robbers had been coming to this site digging up the graves and stealing anything of value. It wasn’t until the turn of the century that better protection of these gravesites was put into place, minimizing the amount of destruction to these priceless treasures.

Scattered across the ground all around us were bone fragments along with the cotton that was used to wrap the mummies, treated as just leftover debris from the grave robbers. We passed hundreds of sunken holes that indicated just how much damage these graves had endured.

It was quite an experience to feel the dryness of this desert. It has been frozen in time, waiting for adventurous people to come bear the heat and discover its buried secrets. I was ready to start a new excavation at that moment to see what other treasures were buried here in the sand. No wonder the Ica stones we observed were so well preserved!

Here in Nazca are the shantytowns of the very poor. This evening we met with a local husband and wife team Willi and Rosa who minister to the children of the shantytowns. We were able to leave medicine, toys, and clothes with them to use in their work.  What a day!  Can’t wait to see what tomorrow has in store. More to come …

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Leave14 Responses to testJourney to Peru—Day Four

  1. Geno Castagnoli April 19, 2011 at 6:53 am #

    Eric claims:
    Thankfully, our geologist Dr. Brent filled us in on the details and told us how the water from the ice age and subsequent flood could account for this river rock material. Evolutionary geology cannot make sense of or account for what we were observing.

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    Geno answers:
    Two words……. Plate Tectonics.

    Now, if only flood advocates could account for:
    1) Where is the identifiable flood layer? Geologists have no difficulty identifying layers that are the result of a flood. No stratagraphic layer has ever been identified as resulting from a single flood event. (Note: I would expect something along the lines of the iridium layer found in association with the K-T boundary.

    2) Where did the water come from? Every creation “science” proposal for flood waters ends up releasing so much heat energy it would destroy all life on Earth.

    3) Where did the water go? Floods normally end when the water flows to lower elevations. This is not possible in the case of a global flood as all lower elevations are already filled with water. (Note: The Genesis account makes it clear the waters rose and fell…. not the land. Any suggestion from another part of the Bible must deal with the context issue.)

  2. Duane April 19, 2011 at 7:51 am #

    “Evolutionary geology cannot make sense of or account for what we were observing.”

    Oh, I’m sure. Positively. Nope. Because somehow biology is supposed to explain geology, right? Nor does geology have ANY idea how mountains form. Nope. It was all Noah’s flood.

  3. John Bebbington April 19, 2011 at 8:49 am #

    Thankfully, our geologist Dr. Brent filled us in on the details and told us how the water from the ice age and subsequent flood could account for this river rock material. Evolutionary geology cannot make sense of or account for what we were observing.

    Eric, you do make me chuckle. Did Dr Brent ever mention “uplift” to you, a phenomenon which is directly observable every time there is an earthquake in the area?

    As for “observing”, read Darwin’s Voyage of the Beagle if you want to discover what observation really is.

    I don’t think I would describe a group of stinking mummies as “priceless treasures” although it was interesting to read that such dessicated relics are still rotting after so many centuries sitting out in the dry air of Peru.

    It makes you wonder how it was that triceratops, a herbivore, could have survived in such an arid environment as the coastal plains of Peru. I wonder why the indians who made the Nazca lines didn’t make any representing dinosaurs.

    • CSE April 19, 2011 at 11:00 am #

      Actually, John, they did! There are Nasca Lines that represent dinosaurs. Eric took some pictures of one that they flew over. We will be posting it soon :)

  4. Jack Napper April 19, 2011 at 10:59 am #

    Who is this “Dr. Brent”? Why so vague Eric? Are you tired of us taking 5 seconds to check the credentials of these “experts” only to find they have no education or training in their supposed fields?

  5. John Bebbington April 19, 2011 at 11:25 am #

    Actually, John, they did! There are Nasca Lines that represent dinosaurs. Eric took some pictures of one that they flew over. We will be posting it soon

    Excellent. Is it pictured holding a telescope? :-)

  6. John Bebbington April 19, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

    Hi Pablo,

    You’ve asked how the image was made. It is described as “pecking”.

    I don’t remember doing that. I knew that it was referred to as “pecking” and managed to slip a joke past the censors as a result.

    Once again, you’re preconceived ideology is not only blinding you, but also disrespecting Native Americans.

    I’m no Native American expert, and obviously you aren’t either.

    It doesn’t make me blush to admit that.

    However, in dealing with this petroglyph, the scientists should’ve conducted research to include native americans and their well known symbols and there meanings. If they did, the scientists who conducted observation would not have claimed that the petroglyph is a snake.

    There is another $250,000 on its way to you if you can show me where the scientists claimed the petroglyph was a snake or even referred to a snake anywhere in their article.

    They’re preconceived, biased ideology was a hinderance to scientific observation. Therefore, they were unsuccessful in debunking creationists.

    And you know that without even bothering to read the paper.

    Pablo, not only have you let yourself down, you’ve let creationism down, you’ve let God down, but worst, you’ve let Eric down.

  7. John Bebbington April 19, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    Danny,

    Don’t forget to answer my post back to you in “DID THE DINOSAURS BECOME EXTINCT?” Thanks!

    I already have – post no.39 on the relevant page.

    You hardly ever deal with the issues, you just make one liners that are usually cuts or one lines like you have been doing with me in this post and your last one.

    So why so anxious to get my next one-liners?

  8. Pablo Cruz April 20, 2011 at 1:25 am #

    Hi, John..

    I have to admit, the pecking joke was a good one..

    You can read the info of this petroglyph by Phil Senter and S.J. Cole here:

    palaeo-electronica.org/…1236pdf

    Or you can just Google it. In this PDF file you’ll see their article, their drawing, and a mention of a snake resemblance.

    I don’t make this stuff up. Answers in genesis has a line by line, point by point analysis of their article.

    Also, you will see how their preconceived ideas hinders them from objectively analysing the petroglyph in their article alone. If you can’t, in AIG you’ll see where it occurs.

    I admit, they do not specifically say it is a snake, only that it resembles a snake.
    I’ll be more careful with my wording.

    Yet, my point remains the same: these scientists did not debunked creationists with their article about the dinosaur petroglyph in Kachina Bridge, Utah.

  9. Pablo Cruz April 20, 2011 at 2:16 am #

    I don’t know if my response went through. I’ll keep this short in case it goes through.

    John, the article was written by Phil Senter and S.J. Cole. You can find their article here:

    palaeo-electronica.org/…1236pdf

    Or Google it.

    And their drawing is there as well. To be fair, it is said to “resemble” a snake.

  10. Peter Bilmer April 20, 2011 at 5:50 am #

    “Where is the identifiable flood layer?”

    There are many layers of sedimentary rock all over the earth,
    deposited by water.
    A global layer of chalk ( Cretaceous ) which consists mostly of marine limestone, a rock type that is formed under warm, shallow marine circumstances.
    Not on flood layer but many.

    “Where did the water come from?”

    That question is answered in datail including the heat release issue in many lectures by Dr Hovind and otheres.
    By the way the flood destroyed ( nearly ) all life on earth.

    “Where did the water go?”

    There is enough water to cover the entire earth when the high uprisings were levelled.

    Asking the same questions over and over again which have all been answered and dealt with, doesn’t make you look interested in the issue but rather ignorant, since the answers are available on the same site.

  11. John Bebbington April 20, 2011 at 10:28 am #

    Peter,

    An excellent reply – provided you ignore the hard facts which, no doubt, you will.

    There are many layers of sedimentary rock all over the earth,
    deposited by water.

    Where did 15 miles of worldwide sediment come from? Floods don’t erode rock.

    A global layer of chalk ( Cretaceous ) which consists mostly of marine limestone, a rock type that is formed under warm, shallow marine circumstances.

    Deep deposits of chalk do not develop overnight or over centuries or over millennia. Your two line statement explains nothing.

    .
    By the way the flood destroyed (nearly) all life on earth.

    We know that’s the theory. However, unless you are an extreme macro-evolutionist, genetics shows that all (nearly) life on earth has never been destroyed,

    By the way, how did the whales survive in water containing a 15 mile of sediment?

    There is enough water to cover the entire earth when the high uprisings were levelled.

    Genesis 7:19 kills that idea.

    Asking the same questions over and over again which have all been answered and dealt with, doesn’t make you look interested in the issue but rather ignorant, since the answers are available on the same site.

    No, Peter. If you know anything about anything you will know that YECists’ attempts at explaining the Flood demonstrate nothing but their own desperation.

    Asking the same questions over and over again which have all been answered and dealt with, doesn’t make you look interested in the issue but rather ignorant, since the answers are available on the same site.

  12. Geno Castagnoli April 20, 2011 at 11:04 am #

    I asked:
    “Where is the identifiable flood layer?”

    Peter responds:
    There are many layers of sedimentary rock all over the earth,
    deposited by water.

    #####
    Geno points out:
    Right. So what evidence is there they were all deposited by a single global flood event rather than the ordinary kinds of flood we see today?

    Peter points out:
    A global layer of chalk ( Cretaceous ) which consists mostly of marine limestone, a rock type that is formed under warm, shallow marine circumstances.

    ####
    Geno asks:
    I’m sure you’re aware of the enthalpy of formation of Calcium carbonate. Do you have any idea how much heat energy forming all of the “marine limestone” in a single flood event would release? I didn’t think so.

    Peter:
    Not on flood layer but many.

    #####
    Geno:
    Many flood layers indicates many floods. Especially when we see alternating marine and terrestrial environments. That’s pretty hard to do in a single flood.

    Geno asked:
    “Where did the water come from?”

    Peter:
    That question is answered in datail including the heat release issue in many lectures by Dr Hovind and otheres.

    ######
    Geno points out:
    No, they do NOT answer it in detail. That’s the whole problem. As soon as we leave the general claims and do a detailed examination, all of the creation “science” models collapse. Here’s a short summary:

    Vapor canopy – – – Vardiman at ICR admits the greenhouse effect of only 0.5 m (less than 19 inches) of precipitable water vapor would increase atmospheric temperatures to 400K (260F)

    Runaway subduction – – – Baumgardner says his model would release 3e28 joules of energy. That’s enough to boil every drop of water on the planet 3 times over.

    Hydroplate theory – – – Brown says his model would release 1,000 times the energy of Baumgardner’s.

    Global rainfall – – – The latent heat of condensation released by sufficent water vapor to cover the Earth to a depth of one meter (a bit over 39 inches) is enough to increase the temperature of the atmosphere by 240C (432 F). We cook Thanksgiving dinner at lower temperatures.

    Radiating energy to space – – – I’m sure you’re aware the amount of energy that can be radiated to space is limited by the Steffan-Boltzmann law:
    (P=kAt^4), right?

    Peter asks:
    By the way the flood destroyed ( nearly ) all life on earth.

    #####
    Geno points out:
    For some reason, I think atmospheric temperatures well above the boiling temperature of water would go well beyond destroying “nearly all life on earth.”

    Geno asked:
    “Where did the water go?”

    Peter answered:
    There is enough water to cover the entire earth when the high uprisings were levelled.

    ####
    Geno points out:
    There is nothing in the Genesis account that allows for levelling of “high uprisings.”

    Peter claims:
    Asking the same questions over and over again which have all been answered and dealt with,

    #####
    Geno points out:
    They may have been answered, but that isn’t the same as dealing with them.

    Peter claims:
    doesn’t make you look interested in the issue but rather ignorant, since the answers are available on the same site.

    #####
    Geno answers:
    Well, one of is looking “rather ignorant”….. but I don’t think it’s me.

    Next…….

  13. Danny April 20, 2011 at 12:57 pm #

    John Bebbington
    April 19th at 2:44 pm
    Danny,
    Don’t forget to answer my post back to you in “DID THE DINOSAURS BECOME EXTINCT?” Thanks!
    I already have post no.39 on the relevant page.
    You hardly ever deal with the issues, you just make one liners that are usually cuts or one lines like you have been doing with me in this post and your last one.
    So why so anxious to get my next one-liners?

    @John, because we all need a little humor in our lives at times. By the way, that is probably another reason why I study evolution some, it is a funny religion. BUT it would be even funnier if people didn’t really believe the nonsense they read within it though. As I have said before, they do NOT believe it because they are stupid necessarily but because they have been blinded to the truth. Another reason is that I share with cults a lot and evolution is just like a cult except it is not another false Christian religion, it is just a false religions system with no proof whatsoever. I will go back and try to find your last post to me. Thanks for answering it When I find it, I will probably be even more thankful. Talk to you later. Remember the Lord Jesus Christ the only hope for mankind.

    Ekkman